278. - Real Estate

All right, this episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Stateside with Kai and Carter, a new podcast from The Guardian. And they are using this podcast to slow down the news and wrestle with the questions that we all have about what's happening in the world. And they do it three times a week, Jason. Does that sound familiar to you? We don't really talk about, you know, a lot of international global news items and climates and cultures and sports and things like that. We do talk about fashion and wellness, but for everything else, Kai and Carter are a great place. All right, so who couldn't use more news? Listen wherever you get your podcast. or watch on YouTube. I'm dealing with a paper cut issue. It's not a paper cut. I cut myself sharpening, toning one of my chef's blades. You do that yourself? I felt successful. Food world people had somebody come to their house and sharpen all their knives for them. There's supply chain issues right now with that. With human beings. Interesting. I didn't know that the supply chain affected you. To clarify for you, the sharpening industry took a big hit, of course. I see. But there's a difference between a sharpening and a honing. The sharpening is where you get a wet stone or a machine and you grind. A pro has to do that. honing of the blade that's like where it looks like a little metal stick and then you run the blade along that so that just kind of it's like a little and instead of getting fillers it's like getting botox if that makes sense for you thank you finally you put into some hollywood terms us layman's can understand and to say yeah to save a penny i'll buy my um units on the black market and then i'll administer them myself whereas filler is not something that i'm ready to yeah do myself it's a little bit more of an invasive procedure you using the term units uh so loosely and accurately makes me makes me think that maybe in your old age that you have

at least looked into the Botox phenomenon to see if it's right for you? Well, Chris, I mean, I hate to use a common nomenclature, but it do take one to know one. You also are familiar with the unit measurement of calling it a unit, so we've both got blood in our hands. I have not gone under the knife or the needle just yet, but as my brand ambassador campaign continues to rise, I'm sure that some of these brands are going to start. asking around you know we can't flat out tell me to get botox or fillers but yeah they'll dance around the issue they can encourage yeah you know unfortunately i'm going under the needle today jason oh yeah boosty well since i saw that uh president donald trump had gotten his booster i decided that that it's time for me to get mine as well and and you know he got booed when he announced that at a at some sort of speaking engagement so Hopefully my fate will be a little better than his. He really got booed by who? His fellow constituents? Yeah, his own people booed him because they're like, damn, Donald Trump's a sellout bitch for getting this booster. It don't work. That's some liberal... you know mumbo jumbo it must have killed him to have to get boosted huh can you imagine him getting can you imagine what he's saying to the to the nurse who's administering his booster in private like he pinches her butt and then complains the whole time as he's getting while he's playing grab ass he's using words like mumbo jumbo over and over again exactly yeah it's so crazy it's so crazy but also who do you think he really got a booster from like he definitely doesn't He doesn't just go wait in line at Dwayne Reed or something. No, like all celebrities, he's got a private doctor. So for when you OD, they can administer the Narcan in private. Yeah, because I don't want to trouble the tabloids with my exhaustion that sometimes comes around. Well, the real thing with Donald Trump and his Lyme disease is that I think that he...

I think the reason he has a private doctor is so that his weight will never be revealed. I think he's paying an exorbitant amount of money to have a private doctor who's under a strict NDA so that they can't reveal his numerous health problems because they have to be into the tens of hundreds. So when he goes in for his annual triple bypass... They'll be like, all right. All right, Donnie, let's get you up on the scale and get your vitals. And he's like, ugh. We can do the height, but less of the weight. Yeah, let's do the height. That's possible. Well, I mean, the triple bypass yearly is probably, I mean, when you eat McDonald's every day. You know, I think he's on his R. Kelly McDonald's diet, you know, where you're just really, that's kind of what you eat. You know what I mean? That's kind of a CEO mindset, you know? It is CEO grindset. You don't have to think about what you're going to have every day. Exactly. That's like me and my Go Macros. You know what I mean? Go Macro is my McDonald's. Yeah, Go Big Macro is what Donald does, though. Yes, Donald – so Donnie is also – I mean, I think he probably – I mean, you know, he had the – when you live at the White House, you have a private chef, a whole team to feed you, and I guarantee you he would have them plate his fast food. You know, he gets out the – Oh, yeah. He gets out the Nixon-era China to have his chicken strips on, you know, instead of eating them out of the peasant box. Okay, yeah, the only piece of kitchen equipment being used in the White House, galley. Is just a little bit of maybe a Breville panini press just to warm through his McDonald's fries? Maybe. Maybe a microwave. Oh, definitely. He's a microwave cuisine kind of guy is what I would guess. It's faster. It's better. It's faster. It's better. That's definitely what it is. So I have to go under the needle today. Hopefully I don't die, Jason. It's another scary medical procedure to fight off this COVID-19 variant that's just raging across America and has everyone in a tizzy. So you said hope I don't die? Yeah, you never know. Yeah, I guess survival rate of Joe Biden's booster was at 50%. It's not looking good for someone like me with a lot of risks, you know what I mean? But I have to do this for my fellow man to protect them as well as myself.

But, you know, I just, as the OmniCon, Cron variant, you know, rages through New York, I have to ask, why does everyone love sharing that they have it? I don't really understand. I don't, like, it's a talking point now. I don't know if we need that necessarily. Well, I think it's always been a talking point, but the first wave of... of COVID pre-OmniCon, it was considered maybe embarrassing or shameful to say, yeah, I have COVID because it showed an air of irresponsibility, unhealthiness, lack of concern for others, whatever. But now that it's weird that you don't have it, then the floodgates are open, the tables are turned. And you're able to kind of have more of an open dialogue about this because everyone is sort of in the mindset that it's much more inevitable that we're going to get it. Yeah, but unfortunately, I think it's turned into like a cool thing. Like, yeah, I got it too. Like, I got it during the media wave. I was at the right party to get COVID. Well, choose your words wisely, Chris, because there's a chance that you will get it. And then I don't want you to do this. Oh, I mean. I'll definitely get it, but I'm not going to be, I'm not going to be posting selfies in my, you know, like that. That's all. I mean, I guess people think it's for the greater good. I obviously don't care about the greater good. So maybe that's kind of where I'm, where it's not, the dots aren't connected. Diseases and ailments and disorders and syndromes, those. nowadays can be sort of a bonding community experience. You know, like the HIV positive world is a whole flourishing world of people who are in an exclusive club. Yeah, that's actually a real, that's like a... That's a real issue. That's not something that Fauci invented. It's not a fake disease. That is a good one. Yeah, exactly. Well, it's not a fake disease. That's the major difference. It was created by the government, just like Omnicon and ComplexCon and every other con. But, yeah, the government, I mean, the bottom line is blame the government for everything. We do. You know, if you have COVID, I mean, I hope you at least lose weight. Except the IRS. Those guys rock.

Keep fucking with you all. Keep supporting those guys. Not a bad word can be said about them. I know we got a lot of IRS employees listening to this podcast. We just want to give a big shout. Happy holidays to you guys. Have a big heart this April when you come around TJ's file. We'd love you to open your heart and mind when you see TJ's file. A lot of that income is, you know, he needs to hold on to as much of it as he can. So if you could just kind of respect that. when you're kind of going through his file. And I'm sure he spelled some stuff wrong or maybe filled out the forms wrong, but let's not penalize him for that. Let's not penalize him. Yeah, that was not because I'm trying to, quote, buy more time or whatever until I have some of my other. revenue streams that are going to come through, whatever. You have no lack of revenue streams, and that's something I really like about you. And even though those amounts are small, it's nice to diversify. I agree. And I was having the same convo with Bay when we were on our morning walk about, you know, now that I'm an influencer, and she's like, you're not an influencer. You're a personality. And I was like, okay. Because she's in denial that she's about to walk down the aisle with a 41-year-old male influencer. Do not make that rhyme, okay? I'm sorry I have bars, but this is an inspiring topic for me. And tell her that if she needs to talk about it, I'm happy to support her through this difficult time. Well, her logic is, hey, you're not an influencer because influencing, quote-unquote, whatever you want to call it, is a side project, side gig for me. It's not my sole income. I don't know. I mean, I think it's creeping. I was not saying that sentence because I wanted you to weigh in on your opinions on the matter. Well, unfortunately, that's not how this works. I guess we are recording this. But it got TJ thinking. I feel bad. I know. That's never a great sign. Steam coming out of TJ's ears on the dog walk. This is dangerous.

Obviously, influencing is a great part of my annual income now, thanks to I don't even know what. You can thank me on air if you want, or you can just text me later, either way. Thanks to Chris. The check keep calling, and I keep answering. Ring, ring. Well, you know, for people, like, luckily, if Hendrix Gin or Laird Superfood Organic Turmeric Creamer stop emailing me next year. I'll be able to feed my family and pay my light bill and shit. But for many influencer friends of ours, it's like being a supermodel or something like that. You got about four good years of caking. And then what's our exit strategy? What's our plan B? I have to have a trade. Do not compare influencers to supermodels because that is giving them too much credit. Only in terms of life expectancy of your career, not in terms of glitz and glamour and accolade. I can tell you that you have to start a CBD or marijuana brand. That's the only thing that you can do. Maybe you could have a... a clothing brand as well? I do. Gone by how long gone? Most importantly, you need to have family money to fall back on, and that is something that I think... My family is poor as fuck, bro. I'm fucked. You're basically fucked. I'm the R. Kelly of my family. I have to feed the whole streets. Everybody eating off Big Unk TJ. Big Unk TJ doesn't have a tab at McDonald's. For the first time in my life, this is why I've been the R. Kelly of my family. Usually for different reasons over here. Because you know DJ gets to piss in, right? Big unk TJ pissing all over the streets as he hands out those McDonald's whoppers for the holidays. We do have a guest today. We're talking to the legendary indie outfit, Real Estate, particularly Martin Courtney, the lead vocalist, singer, and songwriter. Martine. They're one of those bands that's...

from new jersey but really i think they're from brooklyn we can talk about it but but martin what's fucked up about martin or not fucked up just crazy this motherfucker has three kids bro and are these doggos or puppers these human kids no no these are real children these are he has three children and he tours and puts out music at a pretty reasonable clip you know what i mean i know it's crazy but this this um you know i mean they put out a new record like i think this year yeah i think it was like march or april yeah yeah called half a human um And it's good. All their records are good. I've listened to this band since the inception, so I'm excited to talk to him about... Real Estate is some CB shit. It is some CB shit. How many times it was played on the OC? How many times it was played on Lena Dunham's Girls? How many Telecasters he has? Did he have to sell any amps when he had kids? There's a lot of stuff we can get into. A lot of fat to chew on on this episode. All right, let's give Martin from Real Estate a Zoomie. Oh, this is huge for me personally. This episode of How I'm Gone is brought to you by TaskRabbit. Oh, baby, let me tell you something. This is not a joke. I use TaskRabbit a lot because I can't do anything. You need some art hung? TaskRabbit. You need something put together? A cabinet? Got to reach that cheese grater on the top shelf? TaskRabbit. Anything you need, TaskRabbit can take care of it for you. How it works, TaskRabbit connects you with skilled taskers in your area. They can help you move. They can assemble furniture, repairs, yard work, mounting, and more. You can search for a tasker based on cost, skill set, availability, and past client reviews so you know exactly who's showing up and can have confidence that they know what they're doing because taskers have assembled over 3.4 million pieces of furniture, completed 700,000 home repairs. handled 1.5 million moves, and the numbers are just going up, Jason. Yeah, throw a little money at the problem. It's not so expensive, and that job that you really don't want to do is something that another person out in the world is very good at doing and would gladly do it in exchange for a little bit of money.

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the news and wrestle with the questions we all have about what's happening in the world and i know you particularly have quite a lot of questions a lot of questions but how often because we do this podcast three times a week and that's a sweet spot how many times do they do three times a week and i i have a feeling just based on the platform and these talking points that they're maybe going to be covering different stuff than we do that's just a guess the guardian is not some billionaire owned They're not afraid to say what they want to say, brother. Yeah, Rupert ain't sniffing around in what journalists Kai Wright and Carter Sherman are up to over there at Stateside. But yeah, listen wherever you get your podcasts. You can watch it on YouTube. It's three times a week. And who couldn't use more news? Especially when it's not from here, let's say. Give it a listen. Give it a listen. Bro, Martin, your room sounds much more treated for audio than Chris's dorm room scenario. Nary a rug, nary a couch in the room. What do you got going on over there? I see many a guitar. We got some jags. We got some strats on the wall. How's this room treated? The room is, well, there's a carpet. There we go. First and foremost, we got carpet on the ground. We got carpet. Carpet's big for the audiophile community, right? Yeah. We got the SM7B up in here. I see your little microphone, Martin, and that's cool or whatever. But I'm more of a traditional guy. I'm an SM57 guy. You ever heard of Buddy Holly? Some of those? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Was that around? Did they have 57s back in the day? I don't even know. I actually don't know either. It just seems like something that a gentleman like Buddy Holly would have used, you know what I mean, for the aesthetic purposes only. Oh, for sure. Oh, yeah. No, he had that Elvis mic that people use now that is like, you know what I mean? I use that kind of when I really can't get a take. It's the end of the day, and Rick is really pushing me.

Sometimes he'll bring out the Elvis mic to kind of get what he's looking for out of me. He talks about my parents dying and stuff, and then that mic drops down, and I just give him the take that he needs. Yeah, we always keep it live, but it's not out. But it's always live. Always live. Always live. Pull it up on the SSL. So where are you coming in from, Jersey or Brooklyn? I live in Beacon, New York. Hudson Valley. You abandoned the borough that birthed you? Is that what you're saying? Damn, bro. Both my true roots, which would be New Jersey, and my, like, internet, according to the internet roots, which would be, like, Williamsburg or something. Bushwick or whatever. No, I live in the Hudson Valley. So Beacon, it's a beautiful place, obviously. We don't know that. Well, I've been there before, Jason. The big appeal of Beacon... for a real city guy like me is you can take the train there. That's right. What did you do here? Did you go to the Dia? Oh, I've done all that, but I used to go up there and just hang out. I kind of liked it for a couple days. Rent a house, you know what I mean? Go to the cool restaurants there. Chris used to be a pill head, so that's a good spot to pop up when the city's dry. Right, right, yeah. No, it's more of a good place to melt into the couch. There's no noise, you know what I mean? So it's very easy to be high. But no, I think that Beacon... It feels like one of those places where it was nothing, and then the tasteful New York gay community took over the main drag, and now it's a high-end antique market. Is that wrong? More or less. I think about the museum opened 20 years ago, and before that it was pretty bleak, I think. Just a two-horse town. It was a two-horse town.

storefronts like you know i mean like there was not actual and uh yeah i don't know it's different now i've been here like six years oh you've been there oh so you you jumped ship a long time ago yeah because i you know when i was reading about you i was like this guy's got three fucking kids which is wild stuff bro i see that's cool that you know that uh because i was sometimes i i like drop that into a conversation and people are just like It's a fun thing to get the reaction from people. Well, you said people are just like, and then you stopped. What are the people just like? They're like, you have three fucking kids. What? Do they say the word D-A-F-U-K, bro? Is you for real? Is you serious, bro? Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We'll get into that. So I want to put a pin in that really quick and get back into the real estate in the literal sense, not the musical sense. Six years ago, you got in. Yeah. Let's talk about where we're at, our buy-in price, and what the market value is right now. I want to talk about gains. We're a money-forward podcast, so we kind of want to get into your wallet, digital and physical. Transparency is key, Martin. It's been all right. No, we bought this place. We bought this place like four years ago. I think it's like probably doubled in value, which is like my neighbor across the street just sold her house. Well, now it's somebody else's house. And it blew my mind. I was shocked. And so then you're like, oh, my God, like, let's get out of here. But then where do you go? Because every because all the other houses, you know, it's all it's all blown up this whole area. But I think that's kind of a. you know like out in california the same thing is happening yeah i had we had a lot of friends we knew who like sold houses they're like yeah i gotta sell the house and make all this money and they're like but i can't find another house so i don't know where i'm gonna live i have kids in school and you know i mean it's like well we could just like i mean the dream is like i want to go buy like a farm or something like move like

hours north of here man what happened to you bro did did brooklyn did brooklyn just turned you out was it just too much yeah i think you know i don't know if i was ever cut out for it to be honest um no no i mean no i was there it was it was already over like i moved there in like 2011 or something i was i lived in williamsburg yeah you know i lived on berry and north eighth so okay the wave had already crashed and flooded oh yeah it was um No, I was there for, like, the J.Crew, you know, opening up. I think Whole Foods opened, like, you know, a couple months after. So it sounds like you were there for the good part, in my opinion. I don't know. Whole Foods is pretty convenient to me, Martin. Now I've moved to a Whole Foods-less zone. You know, you've got to drive 45 minutes to Connecticut to go to the Whole Foods. Oh, you have to. go out of state to buy groceries at whole well if you want to get the whole foods uh groceries but you know we've got like nice like you know we've got like farm stand so then you have to go to like a little local barn provision shop or they have like a little like regional supermarket vibe there's like yes the regional supermarket vibe which is Yeah. No, it's great. I actually love it because it's like, well, it's good. It's got local stuff. Adams Fair Acre Farm. Shout out, Adams. You seem like a big CSA guy to me, so I'm surprised that you would be patronizing this local market. You can't rely on CSA 100%. You can only eat beets. breakfast lunch and dinner for so long before martin's gonna want a nice little you know mac and cheese or something like that something for the kids you know it's for the kids yeah no i'm still from new jersey i don't i've never done the csa like hell yeah damn you to eat that me neither that seems like a lot of work to me it also seems like it's have you ever done that i mean jason's a big a big cook um and he loves local produce that's kind of you know that's his thing but you've never it's also i feel like the csa thing's not as popular in california as it is on the east coast

Well, they've got to put that produce somewhere. I mean, there's a lot of farms around here. That's a good point. I mean, I guess there's a lot of farms in California, too, though, so that doesn't really make sense, especially because it seems like people would be down. I think just in California, we don't even know what CSA stands for. I don't think I do either. There are obviously CSA programs, but they kind of feel predatory here in California for some reason, like it's a pyramid scheme type of thing that you get signed up for against your will. And then, like, all the produce is, like, stinky and ugly looking. Right. And then you're like, okay, I'm just going to go to Whole Foods. This is fucking stupid. Yeah. Plus, we all got cars, so we just go drive and get produce whenever we want it. We don't need the convenience of it. Prerequisite. You know, to be picked up from your local YMCA or something. Yeah, I got to have the car. Oh, yeah. You got a pickup truck out there since you're such a farm boy? No, I don't have a truck. I want a truck. Maybe Santa Claus bring one this year, Martin? Listen, among basically everything else that has gone up in price, the used car market has – I'm big on the Craigslist just for fun, looking at trucks and old Beamers and stuff. So you put the kids to bed, you pour yourself a frosty IPA, and you just start fucking – earmarking some cars oh my god earmarking some cars on bring a trailer yes daddy gonna window shop yeah i mean especially early it's true oh yeah my uh my life partner does that a lot more so on you know red fin or luxury retailer websites uh-huh and i i'm more into you know see what the tacoma resale market is looking like kind of vibe you and i and it's crazy now like a 2004 toyota tacoma It costs more than a Rolls Royce Phantom off the lot. The resale market for trucks is fucking crazy right now. People want those trucks, man. I don't know why. Because it's a utility vehicle, and then when the damn immigrants come, we need something to drive over all those mountains and hills and streams. It's a back-to-the-land fantasy is what I think. I think that a lot of people buy a truck as a fantasy to make them feel like they're doing more manual labor type shit than they are.

You look cool in a truck. When the only time you're going to use it is when you buy a mid-century desk, and you have to go pick it up from the Instagram store guy's house. I spent a few days recording in L.A. over the summer, and I rented a car, and they're showing me to my car, and they're like, well, you could have this truck, and it was a sick gray Tacoma. I was like, I'll take the Tacoma, of course. I'm driving around L.A. for five days in my Tacoma. And I fit right in. You've got to have the Tacoma. I could never drive a truck. It would feel – I would feel like I was living a lie because I'm not really a guy who likes to lift a finger. You know what I mean? I drive a van. Yeah, I drive a minivan, right? But it's – okay, so that kind of fits in. Honda Odyssey? Honda Odyssey? What do you got? No, it's a Ford Transit Connect, which is like the utility version of a minivan. Can you picture – it's like a miniature Sprinter. Yeah, I know what you're talking about. I thought real estate was more of a bus act, but I guess – am I wrong? Listen, we were – okay, so we put a record out like two weeks before lockdown, and we were all – we were about to go on tour. There were buses. lined up. It was all coming together. He said buses. That's plural. I think Martin's implying that he has his own and the band has to share theirs. This is how you make it work. I can't spend all day with those other guys. I'm too old for this shit. They're always fucking up your PlayStation. We just went on tour for the first time in two years. We were definitely back in the Sprinter. For sure. But, you know, a real sprinter at least. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But now, do you guys do the thing where you have – do you make the tour manager drive all the time? Oh, yeah. Is that part of – okay. Oh, yeah. Listen – I wanted to make sure that was part of – Does the dog have fleas? I wanted to make sure that was part of his duties because if I'm going into a sprinter because of the pandemic and we want to make a little more money because we've been off for a couple of years.

I think the way to spend that cash is on someone who drives all the time, so you never have to touch the wheel. Yeah, well, our guy rules. So there's the token, like, hey, man, we're driving eight hours today. I'll take a shift. And he's like, cool, thanks. And then he just does it. Yeah, the formality, the formality. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, but he's, no, we don't. Okay, and also, I don't know how much you guys are living a rock star lifestyle, but when you have that driver, then... You can pass the time on those eight-hour trips by getting really high on drugs or something like that. Consuming the 14 bottles of tequila that we've accumulated, like half full, because they give you a bottle every night, and they're just rattling around. So you've got to get rid of some of them. We did that. We went on tour, and Jason... I don't drink, but Jason does. And it was interesting because those bottles never seemed to make it because he would finish them every night. So we didn't really suffer from that. Well, I have a reason for that, Chris. We were not traveling by sprinter, so we had to be on the airplane the next day. I'm not going to. Oh, true. I can't bring a bottle of Tito's on my Delta flight. It's an insult to the venue to leave it behind. They want another way to get that for you. I'm sorry about my podcast co-host. He's not used to the tour life the way we are. Some of those fucking venues I want. of disrespect. You know what I mean? That's the thing. I'm all good, bro. You put us in a fucking... Yeah, fuck Shubhas, right? Yeah, they put a... We were at this venue in Denver. They put us in a motherfucking... The green room was like a... trailer. It was a converted Airstream. It was kitschy and fun. I don't think it was a real Airstream, first of all. I think it was a budget. It was a Costco Airstream. It's Costco Airstream. It may have had a wood-burning stove just to keep you warm. For Jason and I, it's fine because there's two guys, but how many guys are in the band? You got five guys? Yeah, well, four guys and a gal. That's too many. You couldn't even fit in there comfortably. I guess that's why you're playing theaters.

Again, yeah. Yeah, when we're complaining about how our green room is a converted Airstream trailer, that is a reflection on us and the size venue that we are playing. Dude, it's rough out there, man. Again, we're living in a post-pandemic world, man. Or current pandemic world. No, we were going to be playing some nice... Theaters, things have changed, man. Things have changed. We were definitely in those closets last month, for sure. It is a little, because we've been on one tour for this podcast, which is sort of like... Is this what you... Like, have you toured before? Is this like a new thing for you guys? Well, Chris has toured before a little bit because he used to be in music management, so he was never performing at the shows, but he was a part of... right exo tour life you know more behind the scenes and then i used to be a flourishing middling edm artist so i did a lot of touring as a dj that's chill which is much better than touring as a band i got to skip the the van life and go straight to you know get picked up at the airport and go to hotel vibe dude it was it just you did you have like a tm or something no i was never i was never big enough to get a tm but also for a dj the tm's job is literally just like put usb stick in cdj yeah and then kick out thought from hotel room the next morning there's there's not much work to be done it's an easier job it's uh it's advancing those shows man that's that's the real because we we like we went we were like we were for too long We didn't even have a manager for like the first four years or more of this band because we were just like, I don't know, thought we were like DIY or something. I ain't giving somebody a cut. Yeah, exactly. Well, exactly. There's not much of a cut to give. Exactly. But then, yeah, no, the whole thing was like when you tour by yourself, or at least for us. It was like that was the biggest pain in the ass was like calling the venues and dealing with the promoters and all that stuff. So, yeah, it's nice not to have to do it. Yeah, I had to advance the shows. Luckily, you know, I had a system. I had a template. But, yeah, every time it's just like here's all the info. Do this, this, this, and this. Right. And then they're like, can we hop on a call? And they're like, so I see you need two microphones on the rider. Is that correct? I'm like, yep.

That's why I put it on the rider. Okay, good to know. What do you need two mics for? You guys like drinking water? Yeah. Okay, we'll put some water in your room. Okay, we're done here. Right. It's the time spent. It's worth the... whatever percent oh totally totally trust me i'm i'm never gonna go back if we ever get to tour again yeah jesus oh jason we'll be we'll be playing some of those real estate size venues in 2022 i'm not worried about that i'm not worried about that you guys need an opening act i don't know if you're if you're um your fans like humor or not but let us know yeah saint vincent had a comedian open on her tour or you know also if you need to open for a podcast you know we're also around you guys are on the you guys are on the come up we're like you know i've been doing this for 12 years like uh you've been doing it too yeah you've been you've been in the game a long time i've been in the game for a while uh no right before the that was the other you know discussion that was happening pre-pandemic was like Let's find some podcasts to team up with. Straight up to tour with. We were on a conference call. Guys, we need to find some podcasts to partner up with. This was our manager, our former manager's big idea. That's why he's the former manager. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We had to let him go. He brought this idea to the table, and we just knew it wasn't a good fit. But yet, here you are doing a motherfucking podcast. We're not just any old podcast, Martin. You know that, right? Oh, I know. I'm well aware. Have you ever listened to this podcast, Martin? I have. I have. Suck on that, Marc Maron. Continue. I jumped in. I scoped the Morby. Okay. Morby's a friend of mine. What a good episode. That fucking guy is so sweet, isn't he? He's a good dude. Yeah. We toured with his old band, Woods, a bunch. We went to Japan with them and stuff. He's an old friend. I was texting with Morby just yesterday. I went to the show in New York. I was in New York when him and Hamilton came. I had a great time. The crowd was very interesting. Where did they play? They played at Webster Hall. It was fucking packed. It was a good show. I guess this used to happen to me sometimes where I would really like an artist and I would go to the show and be like, oh, the crowd is

exactly what i expected sure you know what i mean it's like right on the fucking money which i feel like that means that you're doing a good job i feel like that means you're playing the right cities on the right nights at the right venues you have a strong brand identity oh yeah you have a strong brand identity because it used to always upset me and i hate to talk about you know ryan adams my fallen soldier but you know when i would go when i would go see ryan adams alone because no one would go with me the crowd would be like these weird kind of like suburban, beer, deadhead-ish type people. And I think in my mind, I'm like, no, his fans are cool. And then I would go to the show and be like, his fans are not cool. I don't want to be associated with this. Yeah, that brings you down a bit. He's been around for a while, though. So I feel like if you're around long enough, the brand gets diluted. Yeah, I'm 39 years old. My brand is diluted now. It was much cooler when I was 25. I saw Yola Tango. Do like a Hanukkah show recently, a couple weeks ago. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Don't they do like that annually in Jersey or something like that? Okay. Well, they did it for years in Hoboken. So even during Omnicron, you decided to go. Interesting. Finish your story, please. Finish your story. No, it's just the same thing where you're like, the crowd was a little disappointing, you know? You're like, what is going on here? Okay, so Chris was hoping to find some more hotties at Ryan Adams' show. Was that the same vibe for you, or what were you hoping to see? Yeah, the vibe was like, I don't know what the vibe was. I mean, I've got to say, a Ryan Adams show or a Yola show, Tenga show I am 1 billion percent only expecting to see 45 year old fat dads who really like beer and like bought David Chang's book. Well, the love of beer would have been like the IPA crowd is in the house for sure. Yo, IPA crowd is definitely in the house. But they're in the real estate house as well. Martin takes the stage. He says, I just want to give a big shout out to the IPA crowd for buying tickets tonight. Love to see you guys here in Denver. Makes a noise if the APV is above 7.9%. Makes a fucking noise. Yeah, exactly. That's a freebie.

Yeah, I never thought about this, but, like, that must be an issue for, like, you know, bars. Like, it's, like, the more, you want to sell fewer IPAs because it's, like, the folks, you don't need as many. Sure, sure. Like, you're drinking, like, an 8%. Yeah, but, you know, so you're saying it's, like, the adios motherfucker or the Long Island iced tea of ales and lagers. Yeah. It's a one and done. You want somebody to be ordering 12 Tito's and sodas systematically throughout the night. Yeah, I get that. Right. So are you happy with the real estate crowd, or do you think it could improve in some areas? You know, it's been interesting from the beginning, because when we first started playing gigs, it was like – well, maybe not right when we first started, because when we first started, it was like – Just the people you would expect. You guys didn't have an audience just quite yet. There was nobody to call fat or ugly because there was nobody there. There was nobody there. But then it was like, it was like all of a sudden you would see, you know, obviously like 20, you know, mostly people in their 20s or college kids or something. But then there'd be like the aging like record store, like record nerds and like the WFMU people. Like, you know, the, like, whatever, like, the people that probably saw Yola Tango in the 80s or something. Sure, sure. Or, like, Beely's or something. So, like, I was very proud of that as, like, a 24-year-old kid in a band. I was like, oh, we got, like, the nerds coming out to our shows. We got the high-fidelity-looking bros here. Exactly, like the dudes that were. Yes, worked at the record stores in the 90s. I'm into Japanese experimental music and Sade at the same time. And, you know, indie rock or something. I have an Elliot Smith tattoo. My God. It's a different pod, isn't it? But now it's still the same. I'm actually now psyched that we still get college kids coming out.

Because it's like we just played shows that are, you know, we did like 10 year anniversary, you know, gigs for like this record that came out 10 years ago. And it's like kids that were like, oh, you were my favorite band in middle school or whatever. Like you're my first like indie rock band, you know, which is like. Well, I mean, you've got to love that. It's cool, but it feels bittersweet because you're like, damn, bro, I feel old. But it's also like, wow. I am old, though. So it's fine. I mean, obviously we're old, but we don't love a reminder of it like that where it kind of knocks you on your dick a little bit. But also at the same time. You're like, wow, you were listening to real estate in middle school? You probably turned out to be a pretty cool kid. In middle school, I was listening to fucking Alice in Chains or something, which is also cool. Alice in Chains is probably cooler now than we are. You got a little Alice look to you right now. I'm not going to front. That's cool. I like that. Take that as a compliment. Not the one who died. One who alive. Okay. I honestly have no idea who the fuck you're referring to. It's all good. Luckily, I was pretty young when we started this band. You got to hit puberty with your fans. Exactly. You guys went through that together. Cycle Sisters. On this podcast, when we have musicians on, we like to talk about the sync game. The sync game. Because usually that's how you buy the house in Beacon. You know what I'm saying? And just so I'm clear, you are the majority songwriter in this band, correct? Correct. Correct. Okay, I like that. Majority stakeholder, you mean. Exactly. If we were a tech company, you'd be a majority stakeholder. So let's talk, baby. What are we doing? What Target commercial have you cashed out on? You know, I mean, we've done some stuff. It's like, honestly, like, it's been a point of. It's been a sore spot for years because it's like I, you know, we like to blame. I'm going to get controversial here and just say that, you know, we're going to just go out and blame the publishing company. Sure, sure. Because that's not controversial. That's a cool thing to do. Blame anyone by yourself. Well, you know, in my mind, it makes no sense. You know, but no, we've had a few things here and there. It's like.

Some Netflix show wants or, you know, something that I've never heard of wants or, you know, a song for like $3,000 a side or whatever. And you're like, cool. Like I have no qualms, you know, syncing our shit with anything. Yeah. I don't know. It's, we don't get, we don't, we don't do Morby numbers. Let me just, let me just say that. I'm surprised. I'm actually surprised though. Cause I feel like you've made $3,000 in syncs real estate. What the fuck? No, it's been more than that. I mean, you know, like my whole thing is like, I want to. Well, you know, I mean, I want to like sync music, but what I really want to do is like score shit. I want to like score films. I want to score. You want to be on your little Johnny Greenwood shit. Hell yeah. No, I do. I'm with you. I'm with you. So what are we going to do in 2022 to will that into existence? How are we going to ask the universe for that PTA soundtrack? Dude, you tell me, man. I'll send out some more embarrassing blind emails. You know how to play the harp, bro? Yeah, how are you at the harp? You know. I'm working on it. What's your theremin vibes looking like? Those are pretty good, actually. Okay, good. I'm up on the theremin. He's proficient. Yeah, because can you play every instrument? Are you one of those guys? Shittily, yes. You know what I can do is I can, again, shittily, I can arrange strings. So that's kind of my thing. And I use Logic on my computer, and I like... Come up with my little parts. Logic the app, not the concept. Not the rapper or whatever. Or the rapper. I mostly have Logic arrange my strings. I use Logic. I mean, he's a good rapper, but the guy can see orchestral music. What a gift. Yeah, man. I don't know. I hate to disappoint, but bring it back to the syncing thing. It's been weird, man. It's been very weird because, I don't know, you've heard our music. Do you want us to get you syncs for you? Because I think we can't do a worse job than your publishing company is doing now. Seriously, do you guys want to take over? Have you heard what we sound like? We offer competitive rates. I mean, at least you got to advance. Well, that's the whole thing. You're like, oh, cool, I'll take the six grand to just get that much closer to being out of the red.

with Domino Publishing. I gotta say, band life sounds pretty great. You're really painting a nice picture over here, Martin. So do you look at us, two guys who are doing a podcast, no overhead, no anything, do you get jealous of that? Or are you like, no, you guys are still doing a podcast, so I'm still cooler? No, I gotta say I'm jealous. Listen, I'm jealous of you DJing, like touring as a DJ. A lot of you guys that actually know how to play music often get jealous of the DJ. How many people am I splitting my money with? Yeah, man. You know the answer is zero, bitch. How many people get to drink off of this bottle of Tito's? One. Well, one, and of course the ladies you invite to the VIP, to the section. And also at the after party. i'm getting paid to dj that too bro i'm making money two ways oh my god that was like that that you know for for a few years that was like that was our hustle was to try and dj the after party you know dj the after party yeah i'm so busy making money i don't have time to get my dick sucked that's what real estate used to say back in the day so let's talk about your dj life then i mean the thing is it wasn't me it was It was like other members of my band. So were you against the idea? No, not at all. I was just like, I'll hang out. I'll hang out here with y'all. You don't have CDJs in your little home studio? No, man. Well, you have the venue set up a DJ rig in the green room, right? Right, for practicing. Just so you can practice. But it's like when you go backstage at a Rolling Stones show. They have full amps. They rehearse day of just to keep it fresh. I'm always shocked by that. When you see that. Foo Fighters on the road, footage of them backstage that are creating content or something. And they got the little drum set and the little amps and shit. Bro, these guys have full setups to practice. Just to have that amount of dedication to playing that game. You know, the game of like...

i don't know caring enough to look you can just come out and say dave growl is a fucking dork you know no i mean only dorks do shit like that well yeah but no no i mean honestly i don't know i don't know if it's like a dork thing or if it's like you're a real musician and i'm like yeah but if you if you're obsessed with something so much to a certain point i don't care how skillful you are You're still a dork if you're not well-rounded with other stuff, if you're not cool. Maybe Mozart was not that cool. I don't care how good he was at arranging them strings. It really makes you think, Jason. That really makes you think. Have you guys, as real estate, have you opened for wild, have you opened for Red Hot Chili Peppers before? We have opened for, no, we've played shows. I was just thinking about this. We did a show where we played with Rivers Cuomo. You know, and, like, we've done, like, a bunch of shows with Weezer at different, like, points in time, which would be, like, I don't know. You don't sound extremely jazzed about this, having this feather in your cap, Martin. What's going on there? It is a feather. Because I liked Pinkerton. I don't care what you say. I was obsessed. I was obsessed. So, yeah, no. No, we did a gig where, like, he came out. a show where um we played in la and uh it was like there was like red bull money involved and they were like they were like oh um you should like you can like there's a budget for you to do something weird you know like there's a budget for you to do something weird get like a you know get someone to get a guest or something we're like neil young and they're like no that's not gonna happen Really just try. Oh, like we could, like, because of Red Bull having $25 billion, we'll give you guys $100,000 if you want to. have Logic come out and do a song with you or whatever it may be. Which we should have done. And you said, yeah, Red Bull, get Neil Young. And Neil Young said, obviously, I'm not going to do that. Yeah, it didn't even get that far. Okay, then how did you spend your Red Bull money doing something funky and weird? We spent it on Rivers. We spent it on Rivers, Cuomo. And he came. Well, it was like, he was like, sure, I'm down. And then...

day of he was like so what's the budget he was like i don't think i'm gonna make it and we're like okay fine whatever like we were like we like learned a song from pinkerton we learned no other one from pinkerton we just we just learned how to play what you're sorry i'm not yeah i'm not gonna do it no worries and you're like all right whatever yeah yeah all good sorry Sorry, I'm not going to make it. Not even trying to make an excuse. Well, it was unclear if he was going to show up or not. Rivers will be Rivers. Yeah. And then we sound checked and all this shit. It was like getting to be doors, you know, time for the show. And he like rolls up. He like. Just shows up. He's got a guitar. He's just by himself. And he's like, cool, let's do this. Are you telling me that Rivers didn't show up with three Asian chicks that just turned 18? Shockingly. They just turned 18 on paper. Yeah, right. So, I mean, so Rivers thinks he's fucking prince or something. He's got, so he had his own little green room that he, like, invited us into. And we, like, go in there. Incredibly awkward. He's, like, asking us. He goes, like, so, like. He's like, so how's this going for you guys? Like, which I took to mean, like, the whole thing of, like, being a musician. Like, how's it going? You know, we're like, I don't know, man. Like, it's going all right, I guess. Like, this is, like, a few years ago. And he was like, we're like, how's it going for you? He's like, we just, like, cherry pick the highest paying gigs that we can find, like, throughout the year. He's like, try not to play as much as possible. And then he asked to see our writer. He wanted to, like, just look at our rider, which was in, you know, a separate arguing room, which was full of, like, our homies, you know? And, like, we're like, sure, man. Rivers wants to look at my rider. Hey, no problemo. Rivers wants to look at the rider. Brought him in. You know, the room goes, like, silent because, like, Rivers Cuomo just, you know, has entered the room. And they all, like, part for him to walk through the room.

and stand in front of our feels very wayne's worldy yeah it does except except then he just went up and like stared at like a folding table with snacks on it and like for like a few minutes like you know maybe a minute he just stared at it and he's like all right and then he left and went back to his room um i'm hoping because he went to go write a song about your writers i think he's like i think he was really maybe possibly genuinely fascinated by like what a band you know at our level just does you know or like what it's like i don't think he does he's like i remember this i don't think he ever did i don't think he i think that they just like signed to geffen you know like right out the box and like they never um they never actually played clubs yeah yeah yeah i guess so oh they're one of those bands they're one of those bands that like i don't know it's like just did it from the get-go it was on blue album just came out buddy holly and then boom off to the races they weren't really oh yeah grinding in albuquerque for 10 years before that happened with a series of seven inches they had a video on the windows 95 cd-rom like they were good to go so he just wanted to be like i just want to see what a happy band looks like this is crazy gluten-free pretzels wow okay see you later guys yes And it was There's No Other One. I guess I don't know what song I'm putting on the end of this episode, Martin. Oh, my God. Do it. How did it feel? Now, is he like a shredder or was it kind of like he was playing the guitar? Although he was playing like a Fender Twin Reverb, like not like the – he didn't have the tone, you know, the tone that one would expect. Oh. Of course. What does he do – what amp does he use to get that classic Weezer tone? They probably use like Marshalls, you know. They use like real – Rock and roll amps. Just a wall of Marshall stacks. They were using our dumb Fender amps. Your little Williamsburg fucking tube bullshit. Yeah, man. Exactly. He said, we're on defted records, bro. Scoot over. He's like, yeah.

No, yeah. It was, I don't know. I don't even know if I would call it surreal. It was just like a thing that happened. Do you know how much Red Bull paid Rivers for this? That I don't know. Probably better that you don't know. It was probably more than we got paid. Definitely more than you guys got paid. There's a very great possibility that that man got paid more money to play one song with you than you did for the whole set. The whole tour. potentially oh my god well that's the i mean that's the other thing is like being in a band and being one of you know many people in a touring party you come home you get that tour breakdown and you're like oh cool we like grossed like 200 grand or something on this tour and then you then you you just scroll down and you keep scrolling and then you're like you see that number next to your name at the end It's like I want to quit. I want to quit every time. What the hell am I doing? Okay, so when you were saying I'm more curious about your DJ tour life, you weren't joking. That is like a real thing that you may have thought about. Yeah, I have lots of thoughts, man. Okay, so Martin's leaving the band. Real estate is done after this episode. That's pretty evident. I mean, we kind of felt the same way. Obviously, we did not get the year-end report. see hundreds of thousands of dollars but you know there is like there is the net and the gross and after everyone takes a cut and oh my god we don't we don't have management but you know all that and then you guys don't have management the travel fees and the hotels and everything you know the food i noticed that even in the email correspondence it's like For me, it's coming through my management, but the forwarded emails are from you guys. I was like, damn, these guys don't have a team. We're in the streets, bro. No, we have a team. We have a booking agent, High Road Touring, and we have a label because we did an album with Jag Jaguar. Jag Jaguar, yes.

jace and i combined can kind of take care of it for now but when we when we get to the front door of hollywood and start knocking you know then things might then things might change you know yeah when we're more rogan-esque with our you know audience size then political views and audience size we'll be able to we'll be able to really get a tm a gm front of house back of house personal chef nutritionist the list goes on oh it's just one of those things where because we both did it enough it's like we know how to do it enough especially up to the standards of just the two of us yeah you know what i mean the main thing we needed was somebody to sell merch that was the most annoying that was the main thing that we needed you did like local people every night we we had a friend because because a band called rebounder played a few shows and we're pretty close with them so the drummer of that band would do it like kobe our friend would do it oh cool yeah in most cities we were able to find like a college age like hunky like skater guy who's down to do it for like 50 bucks and a beer you know it helps it helps if they're hot they gotta be hot yeah we only want hot guys we only want hot guys in our touring party hot dudes sell merch man yeah it's true it's like oh yeah i'll just hire somebody every day in in each city but then it's like that's a full-time job right there they gotta do the numbers the count-ins the count-outs it's a whole thing we you know unfortunately we weren't that precise you know the count-in count-out thing i've heard about that and i know what you mean But we didn't really do that, but we did. Look, we took home a nice profit. We paid the great people at our printing and distribution facility. It's all good. We didn't have a spreadsheet or anything. That's the thing. When you start getting into that zone, you need somebody to do whatever, like the same person. But also, Martin, you said that you got a little Red Bull money. Do you guys ever have? brands sponsor a tour? Because we had a couple sponsors for our tour. We've done that. We weren't making billies, but something. We did that. Honestly, that's actually only happened a couple times. The Red Bull thing was one. We did a show a couple years ago at Webster Hall that was the off-cycle thing. We just wanted to play a gig. Actually, I think it was like we were going to tour in the fall and we wanted to test out our potential

Production ideas like screens. Of course, yeah, because you guys are doing a lot of pyro, a lot of lights. This is an experiment. You started working with a DJ for a little shifty shell shot kind of vibe, a little Sugar Ray feeling. Who's scratched on the new real estate album? That's what we need to know. Who did the cuts? Did you get Q-Bert to do the cuts on the new real estate album? That's how you turn a good album great. You know that now, don't you, Martin? Yeah, we're getting Kid Koala. Well, speaking of tour life, we were saying before the tour that we went on earlier this year, that was our first and only tour that we had ever done. We had never done a live show before the tour started. So it was definitely like a real acclimation process of zero to 60. And then when we would stop and the tour was done, then I felt like a weird kind of feeling of like, I was happy to be done with tour and happy to be home and not, you know, in hotels and planes and traveling and all that stuff. But it was also like, you don't have this North star guiding you of like a thing to do. And now all I have to do is like laundry and shit. Like, what do you, how do you deal with that reacclimation process once tour is done? It's, I mean, that's like, that's like the crux of my life is like, especially now my existence, which is like, well, I mean, for the past two years, Right. I haven't toured at all. And I went from having, you know, well, I've got three kids. Right. So I come home and it's like my wife is a nurse. Like I have the most normal life. I'm on tour for three weeks and then I come home and like the next day, you know, the next morning I'm taking my kids to school and like picking them up from school. and hanging out on the playground with the other dads and moms. Yeah, I don't know. That is my life at home. So you kind of don't even have time to be like, oh, I'm feeling post-tour depression or something like that because you have to go change a diaper and take a kid to school. I do honestly love both things. I love touring. It's a slog, but so is home life. In a lot of ways, it's like it's...

It's like you go from one routine to a different routine. Life sucks and then you die. From one slog to another. There's almost not enough time for there to be whiplash. But it is intense. It's very intense. I'm out on the road playing gigs and you're like, oh, this is... you know this is uh boring i'm sitting in the van all day or whatever but like it's obviously fun too you know it's fun to play shows and connect with your fans whatever you gotta tell yourself we know that you clearly don't like touring or playing shows there's not a lot of connecting do you guys get along do you guys get along oh yeah no we're like i two of the guys in my band have known since i was like in middle school um which i guess could go either way but no we're we're good no we're we're good at the The vibe is good in the band right now, for sure. We get along really well. I mean, that's key. It's key, and it's been both ways, for sure. And it's like, I don't know. When the vibe isn't good, you kind of don't notice it until it is. And then you're like, oh, this is... After you guys brought in that executive coach, it really cleaned things up a little bit, I feel like. Yeah, we did the Metallica thing. We did band therapy. How does that make you feel, Lars? You went back to New Jersey, you got a therapist, and things have been just on track since then. Real estate, some kind of monster. It's going swimmingly now. Okay, so you don't even have time to switch modes of tour life and home life. So then do you ever have like a pure, true vacation, like dump the kids at someone's parents? you and bae go and spend three days in cancun or something like that i mean it happens you know where so like because my wife's parents live in town they live really close to us so like that's actually the only thing at this point that's like keeping it possible for our life to function sure yeah because if you're on the road and she's a nurse those are those are two careers that are not easy to raise kids time consuming

Uh, for sure. So, so her folks pick up a lot of the slack. That's great. But like, uh, yeah, no, it's, it is, it's really good. You want to give them a shout out? They're listening. Yeah, man. Uh, shout out Matt and Holly, dude. Uh, no, they're, they're good. They're great. No, it's good to have them around. But like, uh, no, we've done stuff. It's that's the whole thing is like, we, we need this. We need to go away. We've done a few things. We'll like drive, you know, several hours away and spend a few days. away from the kids but um yeah i mean i don't know you know do you guys go for a big apple you know what i mean like a nice hotel suite or are you more of like a beach guy yeah i don't want you to guys to do like the we're gonna go to a different part of upstate and get a cat you know i want you guys to like do i want you to go to like vegas and drink champagne by a pool. I want you to do something that's really odd and foreign for a day-to-day life for you. I know, because it is really funny. It's kind of lame when you're like, we're going to go to the city for a night or two, and you're talking to the other... Other people who live in Connecticut? Yeah, exactly. The other folks in town, you're like, we're going to... They're like, oh my god, that's going to be... so much fun and like this and like oh my god we have a list of things to get from uniqlo will you please visit yeah yeah exactly um we it's like we did that like for years like we would go to like jamaica every year and like there we go you know and then the kids like i don't know it gets uh how old how old are these kids bro i feel like you got some old ones i have uh you got a 14 year old no i got no dude i'm not that old um three three five and seven all right so they're they're little shits but they're like up and moving you know what i mean they're not like you ain't got no babies no i have one she's here right now just this was my whole fear doing this was like because my in-laws are out of normally i would just be like can you please take my kid for a couple hours i have to do this podcast but um

Again, Martin? They're like, I can't believe we let you marry my daughter. I just can't believe. Yeah, they're like, Jesus Christ. Shouldn't you be writing one of those songs, Martin? Yeah, exactly. Can you actually work for once? But they're out of town. Okay, so are you saying that your three-year-old child has been in the room the whole time? I've been saying all these bad words? No, she's upstairs. I was trying to get her to sleep, and she refused. So I was just like, she's watching. frozen or something she's watching i don't even know what she's doing because i left her okay with the ipad elsa's babysitting her yes you said you said here's the ipad sweetie i'm gonna go talk with these guys for a little bit i'll be right back yeah it's bad yeah daddy you said no screen time daddy has to do a podcast listen um oh man i mean look Look, I think parenting in the modern age presents a myriad of challenges. And you're just doing what you can with what you got. And this is where podcasting helps, Martin, because you've been surrounded by your kids, your wife. And you get to talk to us, a couple of misogynists where you can just have some locker room lingo for an hour. You know, we joke, but this is therapeutic for you. Obviously, you have friends. You guys are my friends now. But life happens. Obviously, you have friends. I'm glad you said that. What I'm trying to say, Martin, is you're welcome. Well, thank you. Yeah, we're giving you the gift of bro time, and it sounds like maybe you desperately needed it. Lena Dunham liked it. Good enough for her? Good enough for Martin? Yes. No, I need the bro time for sure. Because after this, I'm going to go pick my kids up. It's cool. Yeah, with the fellas, you know. You think Dua Lipa's hot? You ever check her out? This is just how fellas talk. You understand, Martin? Sorry. You don't have to answer that. That was a callback to something we talked about on the last episode. But it's still funny, even if you don't know. She is, though. The thing is, is that... Yes. No, this has been the thing. I don't know. If you listen to the last record that my band put out, it's literally... It's all about not...

I don't know, maybe not like being like, is this an insane thing that I'm doing? And do I really actually, you know, like doing music? And I do. And so that's why I'm still doing it is I actually do love doing it. But it's been a test. Yeah. I think a lot like a relationship, you know, just because it's challenging and it can be really difficult at times doesn't mean you don't want to do it. hard work and you it's it's a living organism that you always have to attend to it's not just going to be easy forever yeah and you know and i you know i had i had a couple kids which may or may not have been a mistake if i wanted to keep doing this um hey man we make it work yeah yeah you're making you're making it work god gives its strongest challenges hardest challenges to its strongest soldiers yes And you're a soldier of the Lord, Martin. Jason's very religious, so I'm glad he pulled that out today. Praise his name. Man, what a pleasure, bro. Thank you for joining us on How Long Gone. Tell us the new album is in stores. I mean, no, I've listened to all your albums. I'm a fan of the band. That's why you're on the podcast. Well, thanks, dude. And I think a lot of our listeners, when they look at their iPhone tomorrow, They're going to rub their eyes in disbelief. Did they really get real estate on the podcast? This is me and my Wednesday. They're going to be like, I could have just interviewed myself. We have a record that came out last year. It's the main thing. Check it out. We're going to make another one soon. You got a solo record too? Is this all on the Domino Recording Company? recordco.com. That's very cool. I love, we only like to talk to kind of artists that are on legacy indies like us. Yes. So it's cool. It's cool for us to build with someone from the Domino. Domino's chill. Yeah, we got, so we, I have a solo record on that label too. And I just finished another one that's, you know, going to come out at some point. My guy is prolific, Jason. He don't just change diapers. Martin's staying busy in quarantine. Yes. And we could all take a lesson out of your page book. Yeah. Cause, uh,

Because we're heading back in. We're diving in again. No, we're not. No, we're not. No, no, no. Don't say that, bro. Just kidding. You and your little beacon bleeding hearts up there, you probably want to, but down here in LA? Uh-uh. No, man. We're doing things a little differently. Don't jinx us, Martin. I'm going alcohol for dinner tonight. Let's go. Let's go. Martin said, you see me at Applebee's with my VAC card. I don't give a fuck. I'll show you my little booster if that lets me get a Bloomin' Onion. I don't give a fuck. No, Martin, thank you for joining us. The Real Estate, all the albums are in stores wherever you stream music. It was a pleasure. We'll talk to you soon. Thanks, guys. Bye. If you're a lineman in charge of keeping the lights on, Grainger understands that you go to great lengths and sometimes heights to ensure the power is always flowing, which is why you can count on Grainger for professional-grade products and next-day delivery so you have everything you need to get the job done. Call 1-800-GRAINGER, click grainger.com, or just stop by. Grainger, for the ones who get it done.