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All right, this episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Stateside with Kai and Carter, a new podcast from The Guardian. And they are using this podcast to slow down the news and wrestle with the questions that we all have about what's happening in the world. And they do it three times a week, Jason. Does that sound familiar to you? We don't really talk about, you know, a lot of international global news items and climates and cultures and sports and things like that. We do talk about fashion and wellness, but for everything else, Kai and Carter are a great place. All right, so who couldn't use more news? Listen wherever you get your podcast. or watch on YouTube. How Long Gone is here? Chris is a little gassed. He's been running on fumes over there in NYC. Are you doing okay, Chris? I hope you're hydrating. Don't worry. I have a Poland Springs gallon sitting right next to me here on the couch. I have a full day of activities planned, so I'm just going to do my best. Luckily, the energy of the city, once it infects you, it's kind of impossible to feel anything but excitement. You're walking around town. This place has a donut collab. This place has, you know, I imagine what your, your heart must be racing. Once I see, actually yesterday morning, 6am flight LAX to JFK woman next to me in line had a, taped up giant box of sidecar donuts taking it as a as a carry-on and i was like i was like how good can these donuts fucking be like there's no way it's any different than like donut plant or some shit you can get in new york there's just no way bitch do they got donuts in new york i i mean i think that la you know obviously la donut culture is rich and and uh you know uh there's a long rich and caloric yeah exactly but i was just like damn i think i think a donut you get a good don't every town has one donut shop that they got the good donuts.

I don't think it's like a Cali thing, but we do have a lot of them here for how healthy we live. I agree, but this woman bringing 24 bacon-stuffed donuts from L.A. to New York is like, this better be for your parents or something. Well, Chris, I've been watching a lot of hotel time in the last couple months, a lot of Nat Geo to catch a smuggler. My TSA ears are perking up when I see the 24-pack of donuts coming through TSA, Handle With Care. And they're smelling loud with bacon, you know, to kind of cover the scent of the opioids that are definitely injected into the frosting. Well, luckily, Jason, opioids are scentless in my experience, but I could be wrong. I don't know if those... You've never been to a black site... location opium farm in Afghanistan, Chris, because it is... That's a good point. It's louder than my Bloody Valentine concert, bro. I can't say that I have been to the fields in Afghanistan. I didn't know you had either, which is a cool thing to learn about you. I visited it in the metaverse, and I had a young three-dimensional squirrel kind of explain how dank it was. That's cool. I love when a young person can explain to me... that something is dank. So that's a positive. I guess the metaverse is for me. I didn't realize. Make it your own. Look, it feels good to be here. I got some business to take care of, and then I'll be back in LA ASAP. Don't call what you're doing their business, but go on. Well, okay. We had a big week last week. Not only did we record an absolute breakneck amount of podcasts. I'm still cleaning up the mess. We recorded so many podcasts, we had to put a bonus episode out today just for the weekend warriors with 80s legend Richard Marks. And 90s and current day legend, honestly. He's a current day legend. Big wife guy, big tequila guy. I guess I'd be a wife guy, too, if I was him living in Malibu with Daisy Fuentes. Well, let's not forget the Miami crib, but yeah, give that a listen. Thursday night, we had kind of a meeting of the minds.

during Oscars week at the famed Sunset Tower Hotel. A lot of people in town for the big show. A lot of people. Go home with a little hardware tonight. We're hoping to go home with a little hardware tonight. Hopefully the president of Ukraine is able to get kind of on Zoom with Amy Schumer so that Sean Penn doesn't blow a fucking gasket and punch a valet or something. Yeah, if Zelensky doesn't come up on the Skype screen. I'll be smelting my headphones tonight. Yeah. That's right. Yeah. We're upset. But since a longtime friend of the show, a former guest, Naomi Fry, was in town and she was celebrating a belated birthday, she thought it would be nice if we could all get together. Get the Brat Pack back together. Get the Brat Pack back together. And it was, you know, for me, it was a long time coming that I was able to break bread with John Mayer. We were able to break broccoli. We were able to break some broccolini. We were able to break some broccolini. John had one night off from tour. And when you're at his level, you obviously take the PJ to and from every date and sleep in your own bed. Because that's what we're trying to do. So I was happy to get some kind of notes from him on that. And the first thing he told me was, you need to have a lot more money. Yeah. So I was like, I want to live your... like a g6 lifestyle and he said it's possible but you are gonna have to step your bread up costs a lot of money to sleep in your own bed every night how many how many billboard number ones do you have and i said look we don't even have an apple podcast number one yet uh but we are we are working towards it but uh no john john was a true sweetheart and we were also joined by a friend of the show and and I guess, fan of the show, uh, BJ Novak and food, food influencer, uh, Kiernan Shipka, who you may recognize from the television, but, um, she recognizes them genes from his cool food posts. We, we, we learned at dinner. She's a member of the food community. Mainly, I mean, obviously exciting for you to hang out with mayor after all these years of slobbing on his knob virtually. And.

It was good to meet BJ and really have a meal with him and be like, you know what? I learned what stick man means from listening to your podcast when you described me as one. Novak legendary stick man telling us he learned the term stick man from us. It was almost time to hang up the Zoom recorder. Look, you want to talk about meta. Yeah, yeah. It was a full circle moment. But yeah, we closed the tower down. We did four or five hours at the table. We had a nice Sunday for Nomi's birthday. But it was a fun night, and hopefully all of those people that joined us will also join us on the program in the future when they have a... hollywood project to promote we did bj did tell us that he has a movie coming out that he wrote and directed where he plays a podcaster which to me is is it's a little bit crazy that my ears perked up i just think it's funny how um i just think it's funny how yeah bj so you did a movie about podcasting without consulting with us or putting us in it and i just don't you know i mean i we let it slide he gave me the elevator pitch over uh over a nice martini at the tower bar and i gotta say it's The guy knows how to do a movie script. Everything made sense to me. It sounded like a great premise, actually. I'm looking forward to checking it out. Me too. He's graduated from Ryan the Intern. Now he's a fucking damn director. He's on his Casavetes now. He's got celebrities in the movie. I'm not going to obviously divulge any of that. I'm sure you can find it on Deadline. Check it out on Deadline. Check out Deadline. Check out the Ankler newsletter. But yeah, no, it was a... It was a good time, and I think, more importantly, Nomi had a good time. We were able to celebrate her life as she brings us together. Sounds like a funeral program. We do. We owe her a lot, though. She really does make a lot of introductions for us and puts us in the right places. She's the Hollywood fixer, the doctor you go see when you need someone to meet someone. Fry is on the case. Maybe that's... That's her future calling. Who knows? No, it could be her future calling. Once this writing stuff gets old, because I'll tell you what, it's a slog. That's why I got into matchmaking. My dollars per word count just kept getting lower and lower, and I had to find something else. Once you moved into blogging from all that print work you were doing, the industry kind of shifted. I know it's tough for you to recover, TJ. I got to say, my biggest takeaway, which wasn't necessarily a surprise, but just a pleasant discovery,

quick and smart and interested in question asking that John Mayer was. Yeah. I got to say, of all the podcasts I listen to, people get paid tens of million dollars to interview people and ask people interesting questions. I don't know if I've found somebody who was better at it than John Mayer, who just kind of asks perfect questions on the side while he's making millions of dollars playing music. you know doing john mayer things well he also he also asked us he sat down at the table and he's like all right what's going on with you guys this is too good i'm like john don't do this and then he described us as ernie and burt um so he kind of it was kind of like a you know it was a it was a it was a compliment followed quickly quickly by a a lesser maybe backhanded compliment ernie and burt are two hollywood kings so it's not necessarily slanderous and no it's not the first time that we've been described as those two lovable jim henson characters either no but i think i think i think that the the the gayness is implied oh i didn't go that my brain didn't go there i mean that doesn't offend me obviously but i just know what you know i i know where it went it was it was but they are a classic and iconic hollywood duo dual income no kids burton ernie No, that's a great way to put it. But I learned a lot about the economics of touring. That's not a joke. And who can really sell out a stadium and who can't and how the artist's ego plays into the need for a stadium when it's almost no one can really do it and how challenging it is. That's right. Which is, of course, exactly what I want to talk about. Just like Richard Marks. He said, hey, the music business, one thing you got to remember. Don't forget the second word. When I got my first Stratocaster, that's exactly what my dad told me. You picked up your first Strat, and your dad's like, I think you're ready, boy. It's time I gave you a login to my Microsoft Excel program. I went ahead and added you as a user on my account. This is the proudest day of my life. Long-time subscriber to the Excel and Microsoft Word Suite, Gary Black. Yeah, I mean, I could get it for free, but I pay for it still. I still pay for Excel. I want to support those guys. No, he's a nice guy. He likes to support.

support small businesses. Give Gates a little taste. That's right. Just give Gates a little something. Give Gates a little taste. He needs a little more. A little something to keep the lights on over here at Microsoft. Well, since we know Gates is going to give all the money away and not to his children, it's basically donating money to charity when you really think about it. Yeah, and that's going to be tough because his horse girl daughter costs a lot of money to keep those. Stable lights on. No, when she's breaking bread with Springsteen's daughter and the Olsen twins over at the horse ranch, there's a lot of dicks on the table. To be a fly on the wall of that stable, am I right? I would braid a mane just to overhear that. That's no question. I would learn to braid. Somebody pinch me. I'm turning into glue over here. I'm sliding right off my saddle. Oh, it's Airbaz, of course. I'm sliding right off my Hermes saddle. Speaking of Hermes saddle, like I said before, I will pay you $500 American money if you do not send... The $3,000 Laura Piana dog bed link to my life partner. I won't. I'll do that for free because we're friends, and if your life is good, my life is also good. Yeah. Well, speaking of spending $500, thank you to Chris for buying me a pair of Yeezy Boost 350s in my size 17. They had a 17. Thanks to my friends at GOAT, I was able to get a size 17 Yeezy 350 for Jason. And he wore them actually to our dinner Thursday night. And I'm here to say, and you guys think I'm a hater, blah, blah, blah. He pulled off the Yeezys. He didn't look like an Uber driver. He didn't look like a teenager. He didn't look like a Kith stockroom employee. He did a nice... brown there was like a brown palette to really bring bring the yeezys i think down a notch which is maybe what most people aren't doing that tj had to flip it on his head as usual subtlety is my specialty chris and that is not just a my chemical romance song title i don't know when you when you get a an ingredient as powerful as the yeezy

You know, all you can do is hope to tame it. Yeezy is the latter pre-workout of footwear. I will agree. It's too powerful sometimes. It'll get you shaking. I would argue that Yeezy is the layered superfood of footwear, Chris. That's a great segue because lately I've been drinking a lot. I'll keep it a buck with you. I've been drinking. Beyonce voice. I heard this morning that you were drinking last night, holding court at a local wine bar last night. I was at El Prado and stunting in my Air Force. I was at El Prado in my Yeezys, dripping and drowning. But does the Laird help you recover from a big night out in Echo Park in the dustiest neighborhood? Well, you know, a lot of people are very dusty. My life was in constant danger as I entered Echo Park after night. My Nextdoor app told me not to go there after the streetlights come on, but I said, fuck it. I've been drinking a lot of Electrolit and Pedialyte professional advanced grade technology, but if you have a hangover, the texture of it is semen-like. It has a plasmatic... thick viscosity that can be troubling on the palate if you're not used to things like that. I understand. So the sipping the mucus to recover isn't the best feeling, you're saying? You want to call it mucus? We can call it mucus. Okay. Yeah, exactly true. And also, if you get a thing of Pedialyte, especially the advanced technology, which is the one you got to go for, I mean, that's like seven, eight bucks a pop. It's pretty expensive. But Laird luckily has a product called Hydrate. It's a powdered coconut water. That's mixed with this stuff called Aquamin. If I can't, if I, if I can't pronounce it, put it in my body. Aquamin is a, it's a natural source of calcium and magnesium and 72 trace minerals from the ocean. And it's mixed with freeze dried coconut water. And you basically just pour it into your, your gallon of water, your Poland Springs, your, your how long gone now gene, bring it with you on the go. Basically you just turn any water into a jacked up electrolyte.

Coconut flavor, mango flavor, pineapple, all kinds of shit. Damn, it's like I'm at Liv. I can get the diced pineapple in the gallon? That's crazy, bro. You can get the diced pineapple in the gallon. That's crazy. Because before, you'd have to take the pineapple chunks and put them in that little gallon hole one by one, kind of thumbing them in like a quarter. And now you can just do it. I mean, technology is amazing. But anyway, you go to Laird. The creation of spa water has gotten much easier thanks to our friends at Laird. Go Google Laird Superfood. You buy some shit on there, use the promo code GONEVIP, all one word, and you get 20% off your order of $40 or more. I'll make sure to do that because I'm going to need some of that after all these cross-country flights. But we do have a guest today, and this is one that we have been... I mean, I wouldn't say actively trying for, but this conversation has been going on for years. I mean, I've been listening to her music since I was literally in high school. So it's big for all of us. Fuck Diplo. Sean Marshall, Cat Power, joins us on How Long Gone Today, live from Miami. They don't make them like Marshall no more, that's for sure. No, they really don't. I mean, I don't want to get too, you know, too earnest, but like, you know, they're like. Some of this shit, it gets to be like... Get earnest, brother. Well, it's some soundtrack of your life shit. You know what I mean? There's multiple Cat Power songs that I can peg specifically to times in my life, both good and bad. There's just not that many artists that have had a catalog like this that have stuck around every five years. If it's a cover, if it's original, it doesn't matter. There's always one or two that just stick with you. The Marissa Tomei of... acoustic singer-songwriting. She's just always cool. She's always there. She's always... Everyone has a crush on her. Everyone is in love with her. She just has the sweetest spirit and this energy to her that humans rarely possess anymore. No, it's true. It's true. She's a special person. I think that the...

She's also just lived a wild-ass life. Everything is crazy. I just think that... Her life is still currently wild. Yeah, yeah. Her life is as wild as it was when she was 20, probably, in good ways and bad. But I think that's what makes her such a special musician. But yeah, she has a new covers record that's out now that's got a Replacements cover that is obviously unbelievable. And I think she's on tour. She starts a tour. pretty soon. It's been delayed for five years. And I've seen her live countless times and highly recommend it, especially now that it's probably been a while for most of us. Well, hopefully when she comes to LA, we'll be... In the green room, building with Marshall, and yeah, but a great chat with her. Unfortunately, Chris didn't turn his recorder on, so you're going to get his Zoom feed, but it's still, you know, whatever, that doesn't matter. All you're going to hear is a digitized cackle instead of a cleaner one. I apologize for that, but I was a little nervous. We did two podcasts. Last week of podcasting was truly extreme. I'm not trying, and I loved every minute of it, but it was truly a test of our powers here at How Long Gone. We had it all scheduled, and when Diplo and Cat Power say, hey, we got a pod today, how do you say no to that? No, you know what? nut up you turn on the zoom h5 you plug in your sm57 you get to fucking work jason you say sir yes sir yeah exactly that's what that's what i say to my favorite musicians uh but yeah let's uh let's talk to to cap power and uh enjoy it please all right this episode of how long gone is brought to back quince jason the temps are warming up it's getting hot out there summer always changes how i get dressed i need pieces that feel lighter more breathable And they're just easy, but, you know, still put together. I don't want to look like a slob. That's why I keep coming back to Quince. You know, they focus on high-quality essentials that feel and look amazing. Breathable linen and soft organic cottons. Well-made basics, but without the luxury markups. That rare balance where everything feels elevated.

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using promo code howlong. Taskers book up faster, especially for same-day tasks. So book trusted home help today. That is $15 off your first task using promo code howlong with the TaskRabbit app or at TaskRabbit.com. This episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by a new podcast from The Guardian stateside with Kai and Carter. This is covering a lot of our bases, Jason. It's trying to slow down. the news and wrestle with the questions we all have about what's happening in the world and i know you particularly have quite a lot of questions a lot of questions but how often because we do this podcast three times a week and that's a sweet spot how many times do they do three times a week and i i have a feeling just based on the platform and these talking points that they're maybe going to be covering different stuff than we do that's just a guess the guardian is not some billionaire owned They're not afraid to say what they want to say, brother. Yeah, Rupert ain't sniffing around in what journalists Kai Wright and Carter Sherman are up to over there at Stateside. But yeah, listen wherever you get your podcasts. You can watch it on YouTube. It's three times a week. And who couldn't use more news? Especially when it's not from here, let's say. Give it a listen. Give it a listen. Y'all are hilarious. What the hell are y'all doing? Well, how do you know we're hilarious? We've only been talking for about 11 seconds, Marshall. What's going on? Dude, y'all are giggling and stuff. We do giggle. We like to have fun on the show and just in life in general. Wow. I like giggle because people have talked about my laugh being obnoxious, but when you call it a giggle, it feels cute. Yeah, you're giggling. Thank God. Not like that Marc Maron. What a serious fella, huh? Oh, he's fucking hilarious. Oh, he's very hilarious. I'm a fan of him, but I don't know if I'd call him a giggler. Yeah, some people giggle, some people don't. It's just a choice in lifestyle. Where are you coming to? Are you coming live from Miami? I am coming live. I'm moving out of here, though.

you know, stalker stuff, but I'm here right now. Shit. I thought you were going to say spring break, but stalker's a little worse. I thought you were going to say crypto, crypto bros. No, bring those cryptos here. Buy my fucking condo. Buy my fucking condo, you crypto losers. Okay, so, so unfortunately, all these funny reasons why you would leave, I mean, it's become the most city, expensive city in America. They're instating curfew laws because it's getting too crazy there. Crypto bros are taking over, but you have an actual real issue there. And that is not so funny. I'm sorry to hear that. Thank you. No, it sucks. It happens every few years. Really? Yeah, I think mental health is like, you know, the all time, the biggest pandemic going on forever, especially here, craziest country in the world. I was just there, actually, for the first time in a while. And it was insane. It like felt unhinged. America? No, I reside. I reside in America. He means Miami specifically. I mean, America. I mean, America's lost its mind. I agree with that. I would agree with that. Miami feels like a micro. It just feels like its own planet in a way that L.A. can feel like as well. But I think the humidity creates a psychosis. What do you think about that? Dream state for sure. I moved here because it reminded me of Manhattan after a nuclear war. Like everything's, everything's low to the ground. Everything's blended all over the world. Everything's just, but not, not, not, not lately. Not with this, you know, like you say, the everybody moving here and stuff. What is your, how much Spanish do you speak now? I used to speak more when I travel. I could, you know, pick up pretty any. you know, most languages I could pick up, you know, pretty easily. But as soon as someone's trying to talk in Spanish, I can kind of understand and quickly try to answer, you know, but if you were to, you know, if I had to do it on command, like say Spanish, I would be miserably lame. I'm not a good show off. So, but yeah, I can, I can definitely.

communicate, for sure. Once you're in Mexico City, you got a couple skinny-going margaritas in you, then it all just starts flowing out of you. South America, España, Catalan. She's playing Belarus on a Tuesday more than once. I can only imagine. It's a different... Oh, God. I've never been to Russia. Only Poland's the farthest east. I just feel like when you tour for long enough, you've really touched... touched a lot of countries on you know off nights it's been a wealth of what do you call it knowledge i don't know if knowledge is the right word a wealth of information good times crazy times okay so you you're having a little bit of a of a problem with america right now and you are moving out are you going to leave the country then i mean i wish i could like live i wish i could have a a limb that could grow a me in all these different places, but the collective consciousness could be together all over the world in different places. No, I'll probably go back to the mountains somewhere. I'm not sure. I don't know what to do. I'm not sure. I don't know. So you still don't know? Yeah, do you not feel nothing is pulling you? No, too much. Too many completely opposite places. um but the security you know needing to have yeah the security that's just vital as a mom you know a single parent i have to i just have to do what i have to do and i'm not sure where it'll be but i've got some time to figure it out because we'll be on tour for you know about a year coming up so i feel like you know maybe maybe new york is not the place to return to but new york to me feels like the most secure place i don't know if that's i don't know why really yeah man i don't know if you feel like that but you got safety in numbers i got just like you live in a building and if you have a doorman and it's 50 or you know whatever five floors up 10 floors you know what i mean there's it's pretty easy to feel that and i think that the safety numbers thing is also real well you know there's there's friends who live

Like a friend who lives in Sicily with very far, neighbors are far away, but you take the boat to the thing if you want to fly somewhere and there's local farming. Upstate New York, there's a lot of friends who live up there and places in California that are laid back or have friends, you know, but it's all, I'm just not sure yet. So I'm giving myself some time. Also, in New York, it's illegal to have a gun too. And that might be an issue for you as well, Chang. Illegal? You can't have... I'm saying, like, what I'm picturing, like, you know, let's say you got a nice kind of farm shack and... A horse and my rifle. Somewhere more chic, like you're in Santa Fe and you keep a little pistol by the bed, you know, you're growing some different kales and things like that. There's some safety in that remoteness, but there's also some weird danger, whatever the opposite of... strength or safety in numbers is. Yeah, that's where I'm getting pulled and trying to figure out what the hell. I mean, I could come back here, but I just got to figure out the cops couldn't ID the guy, but my friend was able to find his driver's license, so we actually have an ID on him. I'm sorry that you're going through that. But anyway, well, let's change the damn subject. You guys are great, great interviewers, though. I think I might have – is it just a podcast or is it a website? It's just a podcast. There's no video. I mean, we do have a website, but it's basically just to listen to the episodes. Buy a T-shirt, you know? Yeah, that's cool. Do you ever get, like, any – comics in there yeah we've had we've had a few comedians yeah we have we have a lot of musicians a lot of like writers media people and and then it kind of goes from there it just it just depends you a comedy fan yeah i mean i wish i was brave enough to i guess i'm brave in a different way but i i love it really i mean who doesn't love the fucking life a lot of people don't

But you're also kind of living the classic cliche of every stand-up wants to be a musician, every musician wants to be a stand-up. Yeah, and also, you know, T.I. is doing stand-up now, so there's a lot of musicians making the transition. Is he really? Yeah, this is true. He's doing it like... Wow. He's at the comedy store in L.A. all the time, apparently. Stop it. I swear to God. Taking it seriously. Dude. I used to go, when they opened that hotel called The Standard on Hollywood, whatever, they had $99 rooms. And I would stay there and I would walk up the street. If you went before 7.30, it was free to go in. Any night I was in L.A., I'd always go every night and stay all night. You hit the store. Dude, and I was going to... They had an open mic on Mondays. And I never... I was telling my friends that I was going to do it. I just didn't get the balls. I didn't get the Lucille balls. She didn't have these great big Lucille brass balls to go up there, but that means that you were contending with the idea enough to potentially start working out some bits in the mirror in the bathroom. Is that something that happened? No. So you were just going to go up on an open mic night and just go off the dumb? Just absolutely. Absolutely. Who do you think you are? Earthquake? Charles Fleischer. That's impressive. I think that I actually am on record as not loving stand-up, but I do think it's a very impressive and difficult thing to do. And when it's done right, there's nothing that takes more skill. That's kind of how I feel about it. There's nothing like laughing. I mean, there's maybe a couple things like it. To take a page out of Maren's book, who are your guys as it pertains to stand-up comedy? I don't know. There's too many. Or gals. Cat Williams, Martin Lawrence. There's too many. I mean, it's like, who's your favorite singer? It's just, there's too many. Just the spirit of the art, the craft. It's just so, I don't know why more people don't enjoy it. No, I agree. Does that mean that you're attracted to senses of humor? Yeah, of course.

In a partner? Yeah. Yeah. They're very hard to find. Partners are funny partners. Funny hysterical partners are very, very hard. That's funny. I was like, are you attracted to a sense of humor? And your response is, ah. Because they're hard to find. Well, I mean, you're a tough nut to crack. You're probably a hard person to please. There's like two or three guys out there in the world who really bust you up. And none of them are hot enough to fuck, so this is a real tough one, isn't it? That's not true. That's not true. Okay, good. Okay, good. I mean, thank God. Because for a lot of us gigglers, that's kind of all, like, the only card we've got in our hand. Well, maybe you also have some insecurity there in your hand. If you're into comedy, then they kind of go hand in hand. Yeah, those two things go hand in hand. One doesn't exist without the other. Yeah, well, but comedians are rich now. It's different. The landscape has changed. These guys are making a fortune. They're wearing Yeezys. They're driving G-Wagons. It's a different landscape. And they're on the Netflix. Everybody gets their time, which is amazing. Finally. Finally. But also, comedians as performers. podcasters as performers, they're kind of starting to really get a lot of traction and ground compared to musicians. Do you feel any of that pressure? Are you like, these guys are taking some money out of my pocket? Because we think about that a lot. I don't think I would be able to get a Netflix. singing show. I'm not much of an entertainer. I think laughter... Oh, please. I could see, once Kelly Clarkson retires from her afternoon Ellen slot, I think you could slide right in there. I was more talking about, let's say more on the Spotify or Apple streaming type of thing. When you see somebody, some rich fucker, be like...

I'm getting a $50 million contract from Spotify to have my podcast on there for a year. I can't even relate. That's got to boil your blood, right? Not at all. I'm not angry at someone for doing well at all. More power to us. Whoever can get in. That's a good attitude to have. I wish I had that attitude. These celebrities are coming for our money, and I'm just not, you know, whether they're starting podcast. Jason's a DJ, and, you know, Paris Hilton ate his lunch. You know, it's just like these guys, these people are coming for our crowns. They're already famous. They're already rich. Actually, I found out Paris is DJing tonight in L.A., Chris, and we might go after our dinner just to let you know. I swear to God. Wait, where is she DJing? I actually have no idea. But I'll send you the invite. It is in Los Angeles. So you guys live in L.A.? Chris is a little bi-coastal. He was in New York, and he still has an apartment there, but he kind of switched over to L.A. during the quarantine. Nice. I can't give it up. You know how it feels. So nice. You know how it feels. I would love to hear more about you at the Standard Hotel on the Sunset Strip back in the day. I was alone. I was alone. No, whenever I'd play. play shows, you know, I'd just stay there and go to the comedy store every fucking night. Just being alone. Yeah. Why were you alone? I'm sure you had many people that would love to hang out with you. I'm sure all these comedians would love to hang out with you. I met a few of them, you know, Bobby Lee, Theo Vaughn, Charles Sleischer. I met a few of them, but I like to go alone because when you go see whatever favorite director has a movie out you want to you don't want to fucking talk about what happened you know oh yeah i agree with you i agree with you a hundred percent on this i hate dude there's certain things i want to do alone because i don't want to have to talk about it afterwards i just want to enjoy it no no not that i have brought friends but some enjoy it and some don't some want to talk about you know whatever how drunk they feel or what's going on with their neighbor it's like

can you shut the fuck up? It's like going to see if, if, if a comic is, you know, not doing well or something, then I'll go out the back and smoke and then we'll talk then. But okay, I'm not into this right now. Let's go hang out and talk. Okay. Now this guy's coming up. Let's go hurry. It's just like being like going to the, going to see something you love. You, you, you just want to enjoy your time. You get to. You want to love it in the exact way that you want to love it and have that freedom. It's easier to just do it alone than risk your guest fucking it up. And I agree with that. Like taking different friends to see Bob Dylan who never seen Bob Dylan along the years, you know, and I'll say you come blah, blah, blah. And some, you know, these friends along the way haven't been really into them or kind of only knew a couple of the old songs or something. But then sitting with them at something like that. where they turn and they're like, you know, oh my God, it's fucking easy at wind. It's easy at wind. I can't believe he sounds so different. He's a genius. You know, those epiphanies are great. Like you bring some friends to a comedy store and they laugh, they're assholes. Then it's a good time. You know, whatever. But other times, it's too risky. You're over here having a religious experience watching Dylan, and they're just like, his shirt's weird. I don't like this very much. You see what I mean? Yeah. Yeah, you've got to wait for the punchline, you know? Marshall, you've got a great French accent, by the way, just off to the side. Very, very nice. You truly are a master of language. Thank you. How many times have you seen Bob Dylan? Are we looking at 10 plus? Is Bob Dylan your radio head? Maybe 30. Maybe 30. Did you open for him at some point? I tried for like fucking 25 years. Well, you know, Bob listens to this podcast, so this might be the... He knows. He knows. He's aware. He's aware. I mean, I feel like that. I mean, he just didn't he just do like a run of shows at the Beacon? Did he just do it in New York recently? Probably. Yeah. I mean, that's how old is this guy? 83. That's fucked up, man. That's old.

Maybe not. Maybe not. Maybe 82. He's on his Keith Richards shit, man. He's on his Keith Richards shit. Once he stops, the whole train falls off the track. Is the new music good, though? Always. But you're ahead. You're a true fan, so I feel like you would like it no matter what. I think it's always good. He's always doing something. He's always saying something, you know? Yeah. No, I mean, I wish I would like to see, I would like to see Bob Dylan. I saw the Rolling Stones a couple of years ago and paid a lot of money for the ticket and it was like worth every, it was really worth it. It was amazing. I'm about to see them for the first time in high school. I traded the tickets for, for a quarterback, but I'm going to go to, and then I saw them like, I think Glastonbury, I was playing like a field. behind a field behind a field and a tent behind a field behind a tent and uh i ran you know when they were playing and i got to see um one song lied to the security guy i was able to go in the pit and i got to see moonlight mile with mick taylor that was really cool and then i'm gonna see them on in july july 3rd in london at high park Oh, that's about as good as it gets. I saw them in New Jersey, so it wasn't quite as picturesque as Hyde Park in the summer. There's more magical places. It's where the Giants play football, but it was still the Rolling Stones. Speaking of music, I saw a photo of you. You know how there's all these kind of like... throwback photos from the early 2000s who were kind of resurfacing as classic photos that we would look at from the 60s and 70s. There's a photo of you sitting on the floor at a karaoke bar. Are you familiar with this? Oh, God. Yeah. There's a lot of those. What's your go-to karaoke song, then? I used to go... Sing Sing? Well, there's a photo of you. I think you're just laying on the floor and Sing Sing underneath the table watching somebody do karaoke. I was like, damn, this is a good time. Great place to do coke.

in 1994 the quarterbacks are bared i found this korean bar went in there was a man in a suit an old lady old korean lady korean man in a suit he was singing some of like opera you know oh cool and um so i started going there all the time and then i started touring all the time so whenever i come back in town i'd invite whatever new friends i was making and so i started going there like every time i come to new york and anyway so there was a place on bowery around the corner from CBGB's that had a happy hour, $5 an hour. So it was two hours for five bucks in a basement, really, really small, like 90, probably 97. And I'd go there whenever I'd be in New York, just alone. I love to sing, you know, it's fun. No, of course. I just did it in New York recently. We were going to go to Sing Sing and we went to this other place called. Rose Pearl Rose on 13th and Avenue A. So fun. Do you remember what songs you did? Yeah. Me and Jaleel Bunton from TV on the radio. We put in Michael McDonald. I can't remember this song right now. And we were both impersonating him. And then I did a. So Aretha, oh, Natural Woman with the singer Adeline. She's amazing. We sang that together. Did you do What a Fool Believes, Michael McDonald? No, with the one, you know. Reeling in the years? No, no, no, no. Do it again? Nope. I keep forgetting? Yes, yes. I keep forgetting. I like that. I like that you go for a duet now. You want the energy of someone else. But also you love an alone karaoke and a duet. I knew a couple friends growing up who liked to do alone karaoke, and I always thought it was a peculiar trait, but it was fascinating, and it was kind of cute. I just pictured this person going in there as like a therapy session of like, I just need to get in here, lock the door behind me, and just belt out.

I mean, she would sing, like, Metallica, Enter Sandman, and, like, Jump on the Couch type of shit. And I'm like, yeah, whatever works for you, I support it. When you do Alone Karaoke, is it just for fun, or are you trying to get things out of you? It's hard to imagine hearing, like, you know, like a Patsy Cline song. Strange is one that I sing, you know. But just to have that song available, just to sing it, you know. You can sing along to all these records, but it's amazing. I love it. I love it. You can tell when like a pro is singing, the whole fucking, everyone just stops joking and laughing. You know, if you go to that place, Winnie's now in Chinatown, Baxter and Baird, it's, I tried to go in there like a couple of years ago and it's filled with baseball hats turned backwards, uh, Paradise City. Uh, you know, it's. Nightmare. Yeah, I mean, I think that that's the thing. I think karaoke can go that way if you don't watch it. It can definitely go that way if you don't watch it. That's why you do November Rain instead of Paradise City. Am I right, Marshall? Because of the ballads. Yeah, Jason's a sad guy. He likes to do ballads. Yeah, I'm a ballad person, too. We've heard your music. We're clear on that. I mean... I guess that you, but you do have a good, you know, you have a good picker for, for cover songs. So I do think that, yeah, you have a good picker. It's like in hip hop, you know, people get complimented on their beat selection, you know, like this guy's got a great ear and I feel like you have that for, for cover songs. Like, you know, what's going to work, you know, what's going to work for you is what I'm saying. Well, in hip hop too, you know, I feel like that's the only place where the, you know, the cover still exists that going back to these amazing, deep cut, old, great, amazing records that get sampled. That's the only place where people really do cover type stuff. No, that's true. Yeah, well, at least it's the only place where people make money doing that. Yeah. Everybody involved. Wouldn't it be great to wake up and just get an email from your lawyer saying like, Kanye West wants to use 30 seconds of this song that you forgot you made.

we're going to pay you a lot of money to legally do that. Dude, that happened to a friend of mine. That happened to a friend of mine. So, um, watch the throne, Philippe Zadar from Cassius. Oh yeah. He, uh, he had this song. I love you. So, yeah, I love you. So, um, and he, uh, they went to the studio and he set up all his outboard. He put up in that hotel. They were at no, the one in the Paris, the one where they recorded that record. overlooking Jardin Tuileries, you know, by the Louvre there. And he, he set up the studio and they used, they used that song on that record and they didn't give him a credit or a check or anything. No. Yeah. You don't fuck with Zadar like that. That's what I said. When you're friends and you think you're friends, you know, but I, but I also was thinking like maybe it was management or. It could also just be Zadar was like, I stole that sample first, so I'm not going to say shit. Because that's kind of the dark side of it, is you do a good enough job to hide the sample, and you never really have to. Yes, so I had this song called American Flag, and I got the slow and low, you know, Beastie Boys. I slowed it down, and that's the sample on American flag. And you got that cleared? No, no, no. I think I told Mike at one point, I met him through Zadar, you know? And I think... I think I mentioned it and I hope that I did. I mean, if I'm a BC boy and I just have tens of millions of dollars, I'm a Zen guru master and Cat Power comes up and says, hey, I slowed down one of your songs and sang over it. I'd be like, that's fucking sick. I'm not going to fucking send my lawyers on you. Yeah, that's a compliment. Well, maybe. You never know. Now you're fucked. So does that mean that you have a love of electronic dance music as well? I wouldn't say, I mean, when you say electronic dance, I think of like some.

thing that drives me nuts and i want to you know you know crash the car it is a wide spectrum of good and bad yeah but but obviously cassius is a classic french house group that that i'm a big fan of and there's obviously terrible edm music nowadays but do you like the good shit is what i'm saying i think if i hear it and i like it that's as good as it's gonna get you know then the ear knows you know But you like to go out and dance and hit the club a little bit, right? I used to. I used to. They had an old tip-pop thing at this place called Opium on Sundays. It was in the upstairs room, and it would just be like these very, very serious dudes with cigars and blunts, really serious. And I'm always there dancing and drinking pineapple juice because I was sober at the time. I had the best one. Brian Ferry, actually. I met him at a... a restaurant one night, and I took him and his fiancée, and so it was me, Brian Ferry, and his fiancée. She was passed out on the banquette because I just flew in from London, and he had this cream linen suit on, and we're dancing to Biggie and stuff. That is surreal. So fun. Drinking pineapple juice in the club with Roxy Music, turning up to some Tupac songs in the club. That's the type of night that only you could have, really. Yeah. Hold on. Did somebody introduce you, or were you like Brian Ferry's at the restaurant? I'm just going to go say what's up. She doesn't send him a DM. Well, we used to text, but so my friend was working there at this place, and my other friend was in town who introduced us, and we went to Nobu. That's where she's the manager since New York, and she moved down to Miami. That's where she's been working. I love, next time I'm in Miami, you and I are going to Nobu. Mark my words. If you like dessert, that's the only thing you're going to get for free, is the dessert. Look, I'm not a big dessert guy anymore. Me either. We were just talking about this when we recorded an episode with the LA Times food critic, and we were talking about when you get noticed at a restaurant as...

you know, somebody of note. It happens to him as a food critic, of course, but it might happen to you as a celebrity. Never. Once on a plane in like 2005 and once at an ATM in like 97. No way. You're full of shit. I'm not full of shit. I mean, I get recognized once a day at the fucking gas station. I don't do jack shit, so I don't know. I mean, maybe you have a demeanor that... That is saying, you know, leave me alone. Don't approach. Leave me alone. I'm doing my own thing. Don't go near the homeless person. That's your vibe at Whole Foods in South Beach. Yeah. Because of my insecurity, I'm obviously asking for it, you know, trying to get noticed. But what was I just saying? But we were kind of lamenting the fact that whenever that does happen and you get love bombed by the server or the restaurant. It's always like, instead of getting all of your food comped or like, here's some thoughtful things, they just send out, here's 11 of our desserts. After you've stuffed yourself, you know, you got a toothpick and the espresso and they're like, here's our chocolate souffle. Here's our trio of cheesecakes. Blah, blah, blah. Here's a bag of chocolate chip cookies. She does always try to send out something that's like extravagant. I would never order, you know, like the lobster thing with the thing sticking out. That's a great description of Nobu's menu. It's like, oh, it's a lobster lollipop. Thank you. This is great. There's fireworks coming out of it. There's gold. Well, I got to say, I mean, it sucks because, I mean, it makes me sad because I feel like Miami is such a place that people have a problem with or they don't understand it very well. And I would love for everyone to kind of see. your version of miami like how somebody who's this like very cool chiller person living in this place that's sort of you know vegas by the sea yeah it didn't used to you know i obviously did in the 80s i guess in the 60s or whatever but i've been here 20 years so when i moved here it was like you know a lot of these hotels were banned and a lot of the you know now when you go it's like everything's new and you know in the past 10 years it's all

My neighborhood's a lot safer now, which is good. You like that restaurant, Mandolin, over there in Miami? I do. I know the guy that opened it, but he sold it. I love it. Great place to smoke cigarettes. My favorite place in the world to smoke cigarettes. Holy shit. I've never been there, but I feel like it's kind of polarizing, Jason. Basically, they just take... a European chic lunch setting and then just airdrop it with a helicopter ride into a strange neighborhood in Miami. And everyone there just kind of understands like, this is a vibe. We're all going to smoke cigarettes and get, you know, drink wine at two in the afternoon and food's amazing. Well, the food is amazing. So he's, he's Turkish. So it's like agey and, you know, it's really just, you know, fresh, simple, delicious. There's other places you can get that. I mean, that's probably some of the best food in Greece. Just on the side of the road for like a dollar, you can eat a whole ton of amazing fresh food. The tzatziki and the labneh and all that stuff. It's amazing, the food. I'm sorry I'm getting snooty about protecting a mandolin. I could care two shitties about it, but it is a good place to eat. But it's a good place to eat. That's the bottom line. It is. It is very, you know, if you have a date, if you really like somebody, romantic, it's nice because it's over the water. You have to leave the beach and it's outside and it's a good vibe. What is your relationship to the water? The same with the desert. It's just, I feel so grounded whenever I'm in the desert or near the ocean. I just feel like I'm an air sign. So I think. i just need the to feel grounded i think so did you go did you go straight did you go straight from new york to miami yeah i was um so i started visiting a lot in 98 is when i was just getting off tour and i would just either go to tulum or miami to see my friend or tulum or miami tulum they used to be 20 you know shacks used to be so cheap back then you know so i'd either do that or do this and then i was trying to

figure out i'd save some cash and i was like what where should i live you know and uh i was either going to go to rio or i didn't know i knew one fucking person but they were selling these these beautiful like you know uh what do they call it i don't know what they call it but they're like 10 bedroom villa type beautiful things from like 200 years ago with like five hectares of land for [redacted address] in this area north where the favelas are, north of Rio, in a neighborhood called Santa Teresa. And that's my favorite place to go is up there. And I thought, fuck, I can't fucking do that, dude. You know, I can paint, you know, I can put plaster, I can drill, but I'm not going to be able to renovate it. It's huge. Anyway, so I decided on Miami because she was selling her. apartment so i moved here instead isn't it a shame what happened to tulum as well huh oh it's crazy you saw tulum in the 90s then and i could only imagine what it was like i i got to go maybe like seven years ago and it was that was the beginning of the end i guess yeah but now it's just thanks to our friend diplo tulum is a destroyed place he's single-handedly destroyed oh no I know, I know. He's got blood in his hands. But 90s New York, did you ever have a relationship with the straight edge boys and hardcore scene? Well, I used to make Xerox copies for Vinny from Agnostic Front. Oh, shit. Because I worked on Mott Street. But hardcore was more like when I lived in North Carolina. There were a lot of bands coming in and they would do like, you know, when I was in high school, they would do like. shows, you know, Chapel Hill and stuff. There was this place called the, you know, Ramada Inn. And they would do these hardcore shows in the basement. I guess it used to be a lounge in the 60s. Sure. Yeah, so that was fun. But hardcore, like, animosity. I got that Corozio Conformity cassette. Bumped into them at the water park in Greensboro. That was totally surreal. I'm 13.

You know, come to the show, man. But I haven't really been into hardcore in a long, long time. Seeing corrosion of conformity at the water park would be something special. It was. Black Flag with Henry. They played my high school one. Of course, it was a guy's name, Scott Craven. He was the guy who did the, you know, the only smart person in the entire school. His parents are from D.C. He did the... he did the yearbook, you know, he took all the photos of everyone, Scott Craven. And so he was like, yeah, we're going to need some money because there's this band for like a, you know, pep rallies and shit like that. But there was other money where they could have like a performance. And he talked to school into having black flag play at the gym in the afternoon, like before there. And I didn't get to go, unfortunately, but you had water polo practice. No, like, no, I wasn't, I was not allowed to have friends. I had a very strange upbringing. Well, I'm from Atlanta, actually. What? Yeah, born and raised. You're born there? Yeah, I was born in Piedmont Hospital. My little brother was born there. Yeah, and I mean, my parents live in Decatur now, so I go back all the time. Oh, cool. Do you go back, or do you just go when you play? Oh, God, yeah. Are you kidding me? Yeah, that's probably where I'll end up. you know, because of my son's getting bigger and he'll be seven. I mean, you know, my sister and her kids and stuff and my cousin and her daughter. And I just reunited with my dad and my stepdad recently, like a month ago. Oh, I didn't realize that. Okay. So everybody's there. And yeah, I've always gone back and my tour starts there like April 13th. So I was there a month ago and hung out with my old boss. Everybody was able to spend four days. I got to see everybody and their grandma after the pandemic. Where did you work? Did you work at Fellini's? Yeah, in high school. Which one? The one on Pots? Little Five, yeah. Okay, okay, okay. That's a pizza place, Jason. Sorry, Jason doesn't love when we get hyper-local. I think we'll make an exception for this one, guys. Don't worry.

Fellini's, it's still good. And there's more of them. Yeah. There's more of them. Little Five, he's sold. But that's my boss. I was telling you about Clay. If you want to listen to an amazing record, he has several, but he was in this band called The Coolies. And he's the Fellini's guy. There's two of them, Mike and Clay. But Clay has this record called Bleak Beauty. It's so beautiful. I would check it out if I were you. Oh, we'll check it out on Spotify. Bleak Beauty. I got to, I sold my, I have a shack there that I, the same street where my great granddad used to live on Berean Avenue in Cabbage Town. Yeah, yeah. And I just sold that house recently. And I had a bunch of people come and basically sing in the yard. I had a Dexter Romweber came, Arson, Arson. I don't know if you know his music. He's amazing. Clay sang Waiting for UFOs, played Flap. I don't know if you remember Flap. No, this feels like it might have been a little before my time. So yeah, it was so much fun. Was this like a seance for your old house in some way? Kind of, yeah. I don't know how much into real estate you are, but I feel like you probably made a nice little profit on that. That's why I'm trying to figure out where to live. I have a certain amount of time. Yeah. And then the government takes it. You got to run that money over onto your next investment. Exactly. Yeah. So you've, I mean, for all of the decisions you made in life, I think getting into real estate was probably a wise choice for you. Kind of living in lots of different places growing up, you know. I didn't really have a sense of, you know, like home security, whatever. Some roots, real roots. Real place to like, I didn't want to be homeless, you know, and that's really kind of how I saw my future. So when I was 27, 26, I... put a down payment on this house that my friend had bought the same street. My great granddad used to live and, um, did whatever to make it work. Oh yeah. I lived in cabbage town for a year above Carroll street cafe. No way. I used to live on Carroll street at two to one. It was a great, it was a great apartment. Now. I mean, I haven't driven that street in a long time, but I feel like there's like a tattoo shop and, you know, like a vegan pizza place, you know? Yeah. Back in the day when I used to keep a place there, you know, when I moved to New York, I always kept an apartment there.

It just feels so good every time I go home. I just love it. I love Atlanta so much. And there's not really, you know, traveling around the world, you have different friends that you've met along the way all these years in different cities where you think, oh, I could live here, I could live there. But Atlanta, there's something. about it I don't know I agree with you I mean I love going back now I think there was a time in my life where I was like I'm I graduated from this and I don't care and I don't you know like I wanted to separate myself from it but as you get older and mature a little bit you realize like at least for me it was a great place to grow up like it doesn't get better than that yeah it's beautiful I think Martin Luther King Jr. blessed the city I really feel there's some vibe damn yeah there's some vibe there that's really powerfully, magically beautiful. Like when you go to, like you say, when you get off the plane here in Miami, it's like the vortex of dream state happens to you. And I feel the same when I get on the ground in New York city, the same sort of feeling, you know, I feel that in New York, not as much in Atlanta, but you know, you guys have more experience. You just haven't made enough memories. You haven't. Sure. scummed around. That's true. You haven't been in those bathrooms at the Earl. You know what I'm saying. Sean knows what I say. I love the Earl. We did a tour and we played the Earl and I was trying to explain. Wait, what do you mean? What tour? We did a podcast tour last year. Really? Yeah, and the very first show we ever did for our tour and period for our entire podcast was at the Earl. No way. It was an amazing show. Wow. Did you meet John? Oh, I've met John in my life. John didn't make it out to the How Long Gone show, but I was trying to explain to Jason, because we only wanted to play like that kind of venue. So we did like Bowery Ballroom and places like that. But trying to explain to Jason what that place was, it's like you can't really do that. You kind of just have to go there and smell it.

You know, you can't really explain it vocally. It doesn't really work. He'll shove his face in between the floor and between the cracks in the wood. Yeah, a couple planks. Get a nice whiff. Yeah, I couldn't find a chair that was clean enough to sit on, but I had a great time. But no, I mean, it is. I've seen you play there multiple times. No way. Oh, for sure. Really? Oh, yeah. Like red wine on stage era. Ooh. Ouch. Ooh. Why? Ouch. Yeah. Those were, yeah. Yeah, that was then. The Earl scene was a little, like, even though I was deeply into partying for some reason, it wasn't. totally my thing. I was more of an MJQ guy. Oh, I love him. Did you know Charles? Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Passed away. Yeah. I love that place. No, it's a, I mean, Jason, that's the place that you walk underground. You've been there before. I think back in the day, you're thinking of the new and the old one that was at the old. Oh yeah. I'm talking about the new one. I'm the new one though is 20 years old. Yeah. But the old one. The old one. Did you ever go to the old one? That one's from the Gilded Age. That's before my time. That's before my time. Pre-electricity. Yeah, I'm 39. So there's a little bit of like... Rub it in, rub it in, yeah. No, no, I would never. I would never. I just think that I know what you're talking about because it's just like anybody else when you're like 20 and you start going out and people are talking about, well, you used to be good. You know what I mean? It's the same. No, I've had the best time there, 2004. I had like a... you know whatever you call it a girls trip something and went to atlanta and i was girls right at the new mjq and i did like um you know they do the break dancing thing and i got in and i was doing all the moves but in slow motion everyone's so pissed off at me the best i had the best time

Describing it in slow motion really paints a picture. I like that a lot. Yeah, and it making people angry, like, you know, prove it. Prove it. Yeah, you're going to make it back. I do feel it. I feel in your bones that you're going to settle back in Atlanta and be a mom. Well, I'll always be a mom now. That's a good point. Speaking of mom, as you embark on your year-long tour, are you bringing the kid along? What's the plan there? Luckily, my kid is in Montessori, so he can go. His dad will be taking care of his dad's family up in Connecticut and upstate New York, so he can go to a different Montessori easily. And then the summer he'll come with me and then he's back in school. But I just, you know, being, you know, making a sale, a lot of, a lot of the loans, just financial horror stuff. I mean, it's, but anyway, so I have to, I have to work my ass off again, you know, and I love working hard, you know, I've got Capricorn cusp. air song capricorn aries rising taurus we love we love speaking of money uh you know we often we often talk to to musicians about big licenses or sinks they did you know where you yeah so if you have any famous tales of when you got a large check for a song we would love to hear it. Or also one that got away. Yeah. Maybe you, maybe you fucked up and didn't do one. I don't want to, there's, there's a couple, there's a couple that I like, you know, you do a demo. There's a couple like early, I can say it now early in my career, but there was one that got away and it was for Victoria's secrets. And when the, probably 90, 96, pretty early days. And then, then when the commercial came out, it was an exact replica. of the song. And it happened again recently during the pandemic. There were three job offers that I didn't get any of them, but one of them, again, was an exact replica demo. So they're like, she sounds perfect. Let's go find some person off Craigslist to recreate it for 300 bucks. You know, with any industry, everybody works together outside of the artist. You know, all the, everything, the artist is making everybody else all the dough. And I think that there's a,

It's just part of the deal is that they get a couple different people to, hey, try this. And then, oh, sorry, it's not going to work. But then they just get someone to get the idea, to have a fresh take on something. It's sad, but oh well. Shame on you, Victoria's Secret. That's what I was saying. I mean. For many reasons. You said the tour starts in Atlanta in April? Yeah, April 13th. Y'all should go. I think it'll be fun. Where are you playing in Los Angeles? She doesn't deal with that logistics. That's a good question. It looks like I'm on Ticketmaster right now, Cat Power Orpheum, July 16th. There it is. Tickets in the orchestra section are moving fast. They're almost all gone. Yeah, I mean, I've seen you countless times over the years, but never in L.A. Wow. Oh, cool. You know, I've got to situate myself, you know, in a new city. You know what I'm saying? You know how it is. Oh, did you just move there? I mean, not just. Like you said, I haven't made a lot of memories here yet. You know, let's put it that way. Ooh, I know a great place to eat. Please, bless us. Ready? Highland Park. Track one. There's a place called, I think it's called Jodlacoche El Azteca. Let me try the name real quick. Jodlacoche Azteca? El Azteca. Hold on a second. It's on York. Highland Park. Is it El Huarache? Yes! Azteca. El Huarache Azteca. Yes. Are you familiar with this? I've never, never, no, I've never, I mean, I've had, I've had Huaraches before, but never from this place. It's so fucking good. Yeah, it's right on yours. What are you eating over there? Some huevos con jamón? I get a, I get a Huarache like it's like a... a big piece of masa, you know, and then you can see on the, when you walk in the kitchens right there, so you can see this huge vat of like limes cut in half, you know, with all the, all the tomatillos boiling, slow boiling, all this tomatillo sauce you get from all these like cool places, you know, whole foods type fucking.

They all suck. They got it for you. It tastes like shit. They put sugar. I don't know where they're from, but they're not from Mexico. And so that's boiling in the back and the sauces are on the table. And, um, but you really have to like run and grab all the sauces from the table. Cause everyone's like drinking it. It's so fucking good. But, uh, I get the, not, yeah, yeah. You can get the, uh, The fungus mushroom, whatever you call it. They have that. They have those in taco. I would get that. I'd get the soul, whatever it's called. I'd get that. I would bring a couple friends and just cut it. It's just the best. It's so good. Jason's a player in LA's food space. For you to give him something new feels like an accomplishment. We appreciate that. I'll say Cat Power sent me. It's so good. That's what Cat Power sent me. Sean, thank you so much for joining us on How Long Gone. It was a privilege. You're so sweet. Thank you so much. It's my honor to be doing this for a living, and I appreciate you big upping me and doing this interview. Can I ask you really quick? Big up. Can you call, can you email the company, whoever you're talking to, Grace or somebody, and ask them if you could get a backstage after show pass just to come and say hello? after? Yeah, of course. Yeah, yeah. Absolutely. I'll hit Grace. Does the dog have fleas? Yeah, we'll definitely come say what's up. We would love to. Perfect. Cool. Have a good rest of the week and good luck on the tour. We'll see you in July. Thank you. Awesome sauce. Awesome sauce. Bye. Bye. See you later. Bye. It was fun.

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