285. - Shamir

All right, this episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Stateside with Kai and Carter, a new podcast from The Guardian. And they are using this podcast to slow down the news and wrestle with the questions that we all have about what's happening in the world. And they do it three times a week, Jason. Does that sound familiar to you? We don't really talk about, you know, a lot of international global news items and climates and cultures and sports and things like that. We do talk about fashion and wellness, but for everything else, Kai and Carter are a great place. All right, so who couldn't use more news? Listen wherever you get your podcast. or watch on YouTube. DJ Vim Jeans, how are you? Thursday afternoon in LA, the sun is out. What's the vibe in Glendale? I just finished playing tennis. Beautiful. Beautiful day for tennis. I was getting some warmth from the sun. My body felt confused to feel warmth. My bottle of palms, tennis, water, my little Nalgynette. Yeah, that's kid size. By the end of the game. The water was a little warm from the sun. Oh, baby. It's summer again in L.A. is what it sounds like to me, Jesse. Summertime is definitely here. We back to business. Which is good because my nest thermostat is acting up, so the heater hasn't really been working today. Thank God I don't need it. You got two dogs and a nest? You really are a bitch. I tell you what, man. That's rough stuff. Come on, dude. Joe Rogan has two dogs, and he probably has like seven nest cams. Nest cams, nest thermostats. Come on, dude. No, Joe Rogan has... a security guard like a normal person. I'm going to skip Nest Cams and go straight to two security guards. That's my goal. Yeah, he probably doesn't have any video surveillance whatsoever. That's where you're going with, Chris? No, I'm going to say he has video surveillance, but I'm going to assume that Mr. Joe has something more sophisticated than the millennial pink version of a surveillance camera that you can buy on Amazon. No, I'm saying I think Nest works great and I'm sure it protects your house.

and lets you know when all of your packages from your influencer clients land so you can get the shot. Look. The jealousy coming out of your ears is dark. You want to manage your Nest Cam so fucking bad. The only thing I manage on my Apple iPhone is my Spectrum Wi-Fi because you can restart the modem or the router from the app. No way. That I didn't know. It's pretty lit, bro. Let me tell you all about it. This podcast is brought to you by Spectrum. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You guys like cable, right? But no, it's pretty, so if the Wi-Fi is acting up, I can just go onto my Apple iPhone, head into the Excellent Spectrum app, click around, and then the modem restarts automatically. Fuck me, sideways. It's crazy, bro. It's honestly, it's crazier than Kanye West fucking Julia Fox. Whoa, whoa, whoa, slow down. Let's save that for later, okay? We don't want the steak to come out before the salad, Chris. I know, I know. The table-sized Caesar is still being made. The table-sized Caesar is still being hand-spun. I mean, I was going to do 15 minutes on Comcast, but I guess we can move on. I mean, I feel like our guests today will want to kind of chime in on some of that. I would imagine they would, yeah. It's too hot of a topic to not get multiple. segments on this program the way the way that it's affecting my life personally is the chances of uh julia fox coming on how long gone have greatly decreased in the last week or so well it's more for me it's like i'm not being able to find any balenciaga jackets in my size so i'm a little more that that's kind of hitting hitting me are you saying julia is an xl too that's crazy you would say that balenciaga encourages anyone to wear their clothing oversized so i think her and kanye probably swap pieces you know what i mean oh that's fun you i i've never really understood the fascination with julia fox personally like i don't really know what she's known for exactly besides being in one movie as like is there other stuff i should know about i think just being a real juicy

human being no she's juicy and she's new york to the bone but that's not really enough to get me tapped in yeah well that's i think the problem is is it's not really your flavor you like uh that's true blonde chick going about 105 soaking wet that's pounds not kilograms but i don't like it's not even about that i just you you want a chick that's got all the curves of a eight and a half by 11 piece of printer paper This is Julia Fox. She's a thoroughbred. That's just what it come down to. You couldn't handle a thoroughbred like her. You ain't Kentucky Derby ready. Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris. I'm sorry. Neither of us, neither you or I can hop into a fucking Lambo and drive it around the track, hug the corners, do some drifting. Neither of us are going to be able to pull that off. That's true. But. I'll be able to get a little bit closer than you, Chris. No, I would agree with you, and I think that you probably, since you've never lived in New York, maybe you find that shtick more charming. What, a voluptuous woman? A woman that talks like the guy that you get coffee from at the bodega? It's not necessarily that appealing to me. Okay. Well, try this on for size. I've never heard her talk before. And I'm a fan. You've seen the Safdie Brothers movie? I fell asleep during Uncut Gems. Yeah, no, I understand. If everybody would stop acting. But I heard she was in it. And also, did you see Adam Sandler was wearing a sick outfit in that movie? Shut up. Shut the fuck up. It was like vintage vibes. Yo, I think it's crazy, but I think Adam Sandler's shopping on Depop. Yeah, and that movie, I watched it, and I felt like crazy. It was like the camera's moving all over. But, yeah, what I'm saying is I don't know. I mean, I'm sure she's a very cool, interesting, fun person. I don't know about her acting chops because I have not seen her act. But I think a large reason why a lot of people, you know, whether or not you want to have sex with her or not is just, you know.

She a thoroughbred. Not to objectify her. The baby dad thing was really funny. Oh, yeah. Fuck, I forgot about that. Coming off the baby dad shaming straight into Kanye paparazzi photos, you're having a... Great week. That's a very cool trajectory. We break it down to build you back up. We have to. No, it's great. You had to crack a couple eggs to make an omelet. And she has a big old bipolar omelet right now that she's going to have to take home in a to-go box probably because it's so large. I know. I mean, also, I love Kanye taking her to the Balenciaga store and then to Carbone. I think Kanye is doing Julia Fox role play. He's doing like. This is the juiciest white chick he's ever had. So he's nervous. He's off of his game. He doesn't know how to handle something like this. So he's like, I guess I got to buy her clothes. Maybe he likes doing that because he could never take Kim K shopping in New York City. Do you think Kanye West has to pay at the Balenciaga store? Do you think they swipe his card or do you think he goes in and walks out with everybody wants and they settle up with Demna later? I think that he wants to pay. He wants to get his credit card out. I agree with you 100%. I agree with you. Just to feel something, you know? I mean, we all shop for different reasons. Oh, fuck. That's kind of how it goes. Big fucking facts. Speaking of shopping. I heard that you had some issues at one of your favorite emporiums today. Is that true? I'm hot right now, Chris. I'm pissed as hell. Jason was in the group chat absolutely flaming an unnamed streetwear brand for some of their posting today. And I was like, damn, Jason has time today. Are you okay? And then he told me that the Burbank Whole Foods smoothie bar is down for construction? Glendale, first of all. Okay, I'm sorry. I apologize. Yeah, you know, I don't really have any beef with any streetwear brands. It was obviously my personal issues coming out, and I want to apologize to that unnamed brand right now. Thank you. Thank you for that. Thank you for apologizing to that unnamed brand. Chris, I did the work.

I did the work. You always do. That's what's so great about you, Jason. That's where you're a great friend and business partner. It was the Glendale Whole Foods. That was my first mistake. Was this post Equinox too, so you needed the smoothie? It was post Tenise. Oh, I'm sorry. Yes, of course, of course. So, yeah, I was feeling a little peckish. I was hungry. I was ready to fuel up with some hemp protein, but God said not today. You know who said no today? Miss Fluorona. Because I think it's closed down because of COVID bullshit. I think it was a COVID, because early days quarantine on the first or second or third closing lockdown, the smoothie bar was just like, yeah, we ain't doing it. That's interesting because the Whole Foods that I go to on Fairfax that you make fun of and say is shitty was open for business. There are multiple orders waiting to be filled. That's today? That's today. That's this morning. That's hours ago. the transient Whole Foods that you go to, you know, for the disenfranchised people of Hollywood, that location, that's sort of become like the Texas of Whole Foods. So you go there because that's the only location who's still maintaining a little something we call. I don't know, freedom? I think that... The right to bear smoothies? The right to eat a croissant that's not in plastic? I don't know for sure. Maybe, like, because that location, since it is so disenfranchised, their electronic mail system isn't fully set up yet, so they had to, like, just... The president of Whole Foods... Bezos had to write a letter. Electronic mail. Shout out to snail mail. Bezos had to write an actual letter and send it to that store. And then he just hopes that one of the guys who picks up the shopping carts finds it and sends it to the manager because they would have no idea that it's time to close the smoothie bar because Miss Flurona is here. Bezos is motorboating titties on a yacht in St. Barts wearing his Cuccinelli pants with the Casablanca top looking fit.

And I think that the – I've also – we don't have to fully get into this because obviously we have a guest today. But I think the 3rd Street location of Whole Foods in L.A. is the worst in the world. I think that is much worse than the Fairfax location. Yeah, you could be right. You could be right. For the transient vibe you're going for, if you're feeling transient, I think the 3rd Street is more – Well, you know, I guess maybe it's because of Glendale one where I cut my teeth. As far as LA Whole Foods is. Strong Armenian contingency. My brothers are now. Your brudas. The Fairfax. The brudas. They're all my OGs. They're all my big bros. I'm their little broski. I'm just a squirrel trying to get a nut. The one on Fairfax and Santa Monica. Strong Russian contingency. And speaking of nuts. That's one nut I haven't cracked yet. Those are tough people to. Come around on you. Look, all I know is that the beautiful staff of the Fairfax Whole Foods, they know me. They say, Chris, very nutritious. I don't even have to say a word. I can just walk up to the register and swipe the card. Unfortunately, I've never once been given a free smoothie of any kind, but I feel like that doesn't really happen. I feel like that doesn't really happen at Whole Foods. So the most I can do is an acknowledgement of my name and my order. Yeah, that's pretty good. I mean, since you don't have any friends or anything, you need that type of interaction. Bro, I have no friends. All I do is try to interact with employees behind masks. It's really taken its toll on me. Okay, well, we should talk about our guest today. You know Shamir. Shammy. Big Shammy is a singer, songwriter, and actor. He's from... Beautiful Las Vegas, just like my favorite band, The Killers. He's put out a handful of albums, one pretty recently, actually, that was kind of like a departure, and people fucking loved it. It came out October 2, 2020. It's called Shamir. I mean, I was familiar with Shamir from back in the day, I think 2015. Yeah, he had some big records. Yeah, he had some big records. Like a few months ago, he was tweeting something about listening to How Long Gone, and he said that he was listening to How Long Gone, and he gets to...

Wait, what? I feel like he's hanging out with white people or something. I don't remember what he said. Oh, shit. Well, Shamir, come hang out with your two favorite white bros right now, baby. Let's go. Let's give this motherfucker a call. Let's give this motherfucker a call. This episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by a new podcast from The Guardian stateside with Kai and Carter. This is covering a lot of our bases, Jason. It's trying to slow down. The news and wrestle with the questions we all have about what's happening in the world. And I know you particularly have quite a lot of questions. A lot of questions. But how often? Because we do this podcast three times a week and that's a sweet spot. How many times do they do? Three times a week. And I have a feeling just based on the platform and these talking points that they're maybe going to be covering different stuff than we do. That's just a guess. The Guardian is not some billionaire owned. They're not afraid to say what they want to say, brother. Yeah, Rupert ain't sniffing around in what journalists Kai Wright and Carter Sherman are up to over there at Stateside. But yeah, listen wherever you get your podcasts. You can watch it on YouTube. It's three times a week. And who couldn't use more news? You know, especially when it's not, you know, from here, let's say. Give it a listen. Give it a listen. This episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Squarespace. Obviously, Jason, you and I spend a lot of time on the World Wide Web. So do all our peers, our listeners, our friends, our colleagues. Obviously. Maybe even your parents if they're freaky. And if you're doing anything in the world, writing, taking pictures. I do topless boxing. You need a website. Exactly. A website that works, that does what it's supposed to do, that allows you to be creative but also business-minded. Jason, there's one place to go for that, Squarespace. Yeah, Chris, I'm over here. I'm modifying calculators and putting Claude inside of them so you could cheat at school. And I just want a place where I could, you know, have everything all in one place. I can have the SEO tools so those future graduates can find me. And, you know, I'm able to accept, quote, unquote, donations for my services that might be gray area.

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Y'all been talking a lot of shit. Shamir, I know you probably know this, but podcasting is basically just talking shit. So if there's certain things you want to discuss off rip, go ahead and approach the bench and we can discuss. Do not come for Orange County today, Shamir, because I have the time. Listen, listen, all I'm saying is to try lightly. You know what I mean? Because I'm a little groggy. Okay. I just woke up from nap. Okay. I'm sure you'll be just fine firing off some spicy hot habanero takes. Don't worry. So it looks like you're at the Real Housewives of Philadelphia. That's the staircase where they all come down when they're being presented for the first time. No, I'm in my little South Philly row home. What's up, Point Breeze? For our listeners at home, I believe Shamir is doing a gang sign for which area of Philadelphia that he was in. You threw up a set, and people couldn't see that, and you knew no one would see it except us. That's a threat. They're lying. They're lying. I don't claim Nansett. I don't claim Nansett. I don't claim Nansett. So, well, I know that you're from Las Vegas, which is obviously insane. Yeah, absolutely. Where else have you lived? Because ending up in Philadelphia is a choice that obviously we can't wrap our heads around. We're going to need an explanation. But have you lived in New York and L.A. and it just wasn't for you? So what happened was is that, I got signed, like, after graduating high school. Shit. That was, was that XL? XL, yes. But I first was working with, like, a smaller label called God Mode. Okay. And then they took over managing and producing. And Nick Sylvester, who produced the first album and EP and everything, he lived in Williamsburg. So I did live in Brooklyn, but just for three months just to record my album. And, like, I hated it. But I had a decent time, though. Brooklyn does suck. Well, yeah. Of course. in time though it was fine because i looked up silent barn which was like actually kind of lit so you're saying that you like brooklyn because you were partying a lot i was not i was working please silent barn we're all very like we were like poor broke artists like working like trying our best when i was a poor broke artist i somehow found a way to always scrape together some money for cocaine but that's just me i don't i don't know i don't know if that's everybody you know okay you know what chill we get it you're privileged

Yeah, he can always have his mommy send him a little cash out if he needs a bundle. All my mom literally could send me is, like, Stone said she found it a desert. So you lived in Brooklyn to make the record, and you were like, I had a good time, but I don't need to live here. I'm good. Well, okay, so I ended up moving to Philly and got into the Philly scene because, like, what I didn't like about the Brooklyn scene is, like, Like, I loved everyone, but I was, like, the baby. I was, like, obviously the youngest person I found in at that time. Yeah. Yeah, and I felt like, like, I just couldn't find, like, any other kids, like, doing, like, what I wanted to do. But, like, in Philly, like, all ages is truly all ages. And, like, I found kids, like, around my age also, like, even younger, like, putting shows together, like, doing, like, what I was, like, doing. And long story short, I first came to Philly for the first time to see a band I ended up working with. I ended up, like, managing and, like, like, actually, like, working, working with. I like their music, and I was just like, oh, yeah, I'm in Brooklyn, but let me know when you come to New York. And they were just like, oh, we're playing Philly. Just come down to Philly. And I was just like, oh, I guess it is that simple, because I didn't know how the East Coast worked. We played a show there, and we were both pleasantly surprised. And Jason got so drunk, he wouldn't leave. I had to physically drag him out. So he loves Philly. I love the fans, you know what I'm saying? Philly's the place to get messed up. It's kind of a toxic drinking culture, but it's also kind of like chill. like new york like new york drunkest yeah the thing i noticed when we went to the philly show and we went early for soundcheck you know we were there at like five o'clock something like that and the bar was already full of just like guys that are alone drinking a beer just like looking at the tv like yeah and that was it real east that's some east coast that's some east coast shit yeah like the ball it's like boston new york philadelphia like that vibe of like i go to the bar alone after i clock out

and it is depressing to see what i like about philly is that it's the perfect combination of like it's like a southern east coast state because like you still get the appalachia influence but then you also get the east coast influence and it's just smack dab in the middle for philly what are some of your favorite parts about the appalachian influence first of all there's a lot of just like instances of this like my love for country music like throughout my entire catalog but like i when i started off doing Music in general. I started off on country music. What kind of country music? Are we talking about big country? Shamir walks so Lil Nas could run? Is that what's going on? Listen, I don't even know. My words, not yours. The second anyone gets a chance to say that shit, they're ready. They're ready for it. Listen, Lil Nas don't know who the fuck I am. He's too busy being rich, first and foremost. Let's start there. But did I suffer as well? Yes. and i still do suffer you know and he's suffering and i don't think he's never not going to suffer um so that's that on that and that's basically why um you know country didn't really work out i was like at honky tonks you know 15 fucking years old very visibly black and queer and everyone's like what the fuck are you doing here yeah and i thought that it would be funny if i sing i'm still a guy by brad paisley and people are just even more confused but did they but But I feel like that's the kind of situation where people are like, what the fuck is going on? But I feel like you probably won some people over. No. No? No people? Not in 2010. Not in 2010, 2011. Okay. Maybe now. That's a good point. But back then, they were like, get the Negro off the stage. You were swimming up a very strong stream, and it was hard to get over that. At 15, you know, I'm already going through enough. You know what I mean? That's so impressive, though, to be a 15-year-old you at a honky-tonk. In Nevada. In Nevada. And this one's from Brad Paisley, and you started playing it. Literally. What did you play? What instrument were you playing? Just like a guitar? I played guitar. That's still like my main instrument now. Yeah, yeah. But I'm saying it was basically like rocking up to an open mic at a honky-tonk with an acoustic. Yeah, basically. And one time my family came, and it was a running joke.

In my family, they call me Shammy because, like, the old country-ass, presumably racist host mispronounced my name. They called me Shammy, and it was like, next up Shammy. And I didn't invite my family to any more of those. I was like, drop me off, drop me off. Well, in the intro, I randomly said Shammy when we were introducing you. So that doesn't reflect well on my level of racism, does it? Yeah, okay. I get it. I get it. Y'all are privileged. Y'all are racist. Like, that's why I listen to you. Like, come on. But is it racist to abbreviate someone's name? I mean, I don't think saying Shammy, that's just like saying my name's JC. You know what I mean? It's just like Shamir is not an ethnic name. It's actually Hebrew. Like, literally one of the Israeli presidents was named Shamir. Like, it's because... Are you saying, are you giving us an exclusive that you're also Jewish? Spiritually, maybe. I don't know. I'm also, I'm spiritually Jewish as well. No, actually, I was telling my... I was telling my life partner, I was like, oh, Shamir's coming on. She's like, Shamir? Israeli? You know what? She knew. I think that the Jews are the spiciest of the whites. Like, I think that they're like, they're the most seasoned of the white people. Right, right, right. You know, people think the Italians, first of all, the Italians are racist. I went to Italy and felt like shit the entire time. You know, like, I'm sure that there's like, but the entire time, my whole touring crew, because we were, we only had one person in our touring crew. During that time, we were treating, like, shit the entire time, all four dates that we were in Italy. It was just racism to, like, a crazy degree. They're known for that. I mean, that is not, like, a secret by any means. But great food. They're sexy, good food, passionate lovers, but they are racist as a motherfucker. But they make it look good in a weird way. Yeah, no, they make it look fashion. I mean, listen, the food's good. They look great. I love that for them. I'm still trying to process you playing a Brad Paisley cover at 15, but we can move on. I mean, we'll talk offline. I think the Shamir story, Netflix. Chaos. Hulu. Chaos. Chaos. You know what I mean? My mental hospital stints. Like, honestly, I'll give the rights. I like money. We all like money. That's something we can agree on here. Oh, I know. I know. You and I first interacted on Twitter. It was like a...

A couple months ago, something like that? Yeah. What was your tweet that you said? I forgot exactly what it was. I said, I'm straight when I'm listening to How Long Gone. And I think this is a perfect time to, you know, I don't know when this is coming out, but, you know, stream heterosexuality, my next album, my eighth album, my eighth studio album by Shamir, heterosexuality, out February 11th. What's up? Let's go. I'm wearing my Sam Evian shirt. I got a fucking train on. Like, I'm giving. to the lena donham episode and she's just like i was very happy to just like bro out and like say like this is my bro time like so growing up did you ever have like some real heterosexual bro time part two of the question is your album named after us i will say that y'all definitely like yeah influence the album title for sure i do this thing first of all i have a lot of like straight friends uh specifically straight male friends i really only get along with straight guys it's actually really funny these days Like, I've been doing this thing where it's just, like, I've done so many, like, camp things and, like, camp looks that, like, now, like, kind of, like, cosplaying heterosexuality has, like, been, like, my new favorite, like, fashion thing lately. So, like, now, like, wear, like, oversized, like, long sleeve t-shirts. I got, like, a Harley Davidson Wisconsin shirt, which is, like, really funny because I wore it out to, like, hang with, like, the street person. It was, like, our first time hanging out. And he had, like, picked me up. Because I can't drive because I am not gay. But don't tell nobody. Too gay to drive. But he picked me up. He saw my Harley Davidson shirt. And he was, like, he rolled down the window. He was, like, yo, I was going to wear my Harley Davidson shirt today. And I was, like, oh, no. I kind of fucked up. Because I'm, like. Bro. You know. like the level of straight where it's like it's clear that that was ironic it wasn't clear to him and that really just set the tone of that day that's the problem with us straights a lot of us really just don't get it you have to really do the extra work y'all will get it y'all will get it especially chris chris a little fruity so i'm glad we had a clean audio take of shamir saying chris a little fruity you're saying that i'm fruitier than my co-host or just is it not even a comparison it's just facts you talk about

You're a male in some kind of sexual way, like every episode. Listen, I'm a fan. You can't. I know everything. We're not criticizing you, Chris. This is a healthy environment. No, I love that for you. No, like straight, like the chic straight dude these days are a little fruity. Like I'm saying you're very chic right now. OK, well, I accept that. And I am fascinated with the male body because I'm as I'm on a constant journey to improve mine. I have to look at others and understand. No, no, no. You're a handsome dude. I'll give that to you. Oh. Well, thank you. I like that. Handsome and Fruity, the new Migos record. So this album you have coming out February 11th, Heterosexuality, are you done? Or are we in the mixing phase? I'm in the middle of this. You're done. You think I'm just talking to you all for fun? Like, hello, I'm here to promote an album. And I said, if I'm promoting heterosexuality, what's the one piece of things? press like whatever that i need and i was like i told my publicist i was like get me on how long gone so you're doing how long gone you're doing the cover of nra magazine you're really covering imagine me we gotta get your little ass on barstool sports because i'm trying to transition to my country career after this you know what i mean like i've been writing a bunch of country songs so like you know like i feel like this is a nice like i'm not you know i gotta plan Shamir is strategizing. I appreciate your outlook, but I know you like to switch it up. You know what I mean? So do you think, are you at a point now where the fans are down to follow you into the fire? No, no. My career has suffered. Are you kidding? Are you kidding? I don't know, man. Some people do that. Some people get experimental and the fans are down and they follow them. Some people. no you know i did it from jump street you know what i mean like i got dropped from my label after one album like so you're saying that after my debut you're saying that and that record was like big i mean that was like a cool thing it was big and i hated it it was a dark time for myself you know what i mean because i didn't try to be famous yeah but you made i mean i'm saying did you hate it because it didn't feel representative of you when it finally came out or did you hate

Kind of the feelings. It didn't feel representative of me, you know what I mean? Like, it's clear that, like, you know, everything else I did after that was, like, more indie rock. Like, I don't want to do, like, electronic pop music, even though I liked it, but I didn't want to do that, you know what I mean? Did you subconsciously make it? You know what I mean? Like, did you just... What straight man told you to do this? Yeah, what straight man forced you to make that? A lot of people know. I'm not naming names. I'm not even trying to go down that road. That's in the rear view. We're moving forward. Yeah. Into the country world. Okay. Because country music is... On paper, the straightest genre. Sure, yeah. But it also is pretty, it's a pretty fruity genre of music when you really think about it, though, right? Yeah, I guess being like emo and like drinking your feelings, it's like, feels like a feminine trait. It does, it does. I feel like you're really good at using social media and technology, too. link and build with other people it's the only way i know how to do it because i mean i'm an introvert in real life like i don't know how to do that shit in person but good i mean and also you're young enough to really just be a part of the internet from from the jump so it's just second nature for you absolutely i think it's a beautiful thing because we you know since we're older than you we kind of use social media to like insult people to Come on. I do that, too. Don't get me wrong. But we like to use the, you know, make fun of somebody until they come on our podcast or whatever. No, that works. Did I not use that tactic with y'all? No, you did. You beat us at our own game. We got shammied. You got shammied, bitch. Yeah, that's for your new reality show. Also, that's what we have to figure out. Is it going to be a reality show or is it going to be a biopic? But I would prefer a reality show. Both. No, you need both. Or both, yeah. Like, I love, like, the concept of, like, you know, a half an hour of me just, like, crying, writing songs in my bed and also, like, eating in bed. We're going to need to workshop that. We're going to need a little more action. Okay. I think you're going to need to get a lot more famous for somebody to want. It will hold your attention. Trust me. Okay, so you're a bed eater? You be eating in bed? Absolutely. So sorry about it. It's funny because you don't look that sorry.

in my bed did you spend some of your publishing check on the frette or what kind of linens we working with because if you're if you're putting well i always just like get cheap linen and then just like switch out once i'm like done with them also my towels too one and done like you're like dip set with boxers you wear them once and you throw them away kind of shit i only try to mostly buy second hand this is like literally fake this is actually from a costume like i don't wear chains i told you i'm trying to like throw it up but um and it's nice when you are poor that's what i'm saying like it's I just think I've been poor and famous because, like, I get free stuff and, like, I could use it. Come on, Shamir. You're not poor and famous. I am poor. Yes, I am. Come on. You're doing okay. I mean, you know. I live in South Philly. Oh, now it's cool to live in South Philly. Now, now, now. No, no, no. I never said anything. Now I'm not in the gutter with the red. No, no, no. You know what I mean? I did not say South Philly is nice. That is not what I said. I just said I feel like you're doing a little better than you're letting on. No, no. No, I am. I'm doing better than most. Don't get me wrong. Like, I haven't worked a day job. since i started on music so that's nice i don't like attention i told you i didn't want to be a star like i really should not be where i am but i'm making the best of what i got you know what i mean what do you what do you do to come out of your introverted shell when you have to i'm not a great live performer i don't know like you can ask anyone it's a mixed bag you're like to be honest my live show is not so good i'm honest but have you ever had like when you have a moment where you do magically come out Like, do you pay attention to what happened with those circumstances? You know, not just like, oh, I took half a Molly and now I'm like suddenly a great person. But like, was there something going on in your brain, in your life, in your body at that time that made you come out and be a little more extroverted? I mean, that's why it's like, I mean, these days, like doing like my first album when I was doing like the more like electronic pop stuff, like I would just like completely disassociate and hop on stage and do whatever the fuck. And that was like obviously debilitating to my mental health.

And then so when I was like, okay, I can't do that anymore. And then also, like, I have to play guitar, so I can't just, like, disassociate. Then it just kind of, like, I think it just, like, really made people uncomfortable because I'm just, like, on stage screaming like I'm Courtney Love. I love an artist that is a dice roll when you go see them. That's me. That's me. You never know. It just depends on the vibe. Is this going to be magic? Is this going to be a meltdown? Like, is it going to be name calling? No, I'll finish the show. Don't get me wrong. I'm not trifling. So you'll finish the show, but it just might not be great for the audience. Yeah. We'll give them their money's worth. And I make peace with that. I'd rather give you something true. Most of the time when you have a wild card, loose cannon performer like that, drugs are usually involved. Does that come into play for you and your life, Shamir? No. just drink a lot like i count on my hands how many times i've like played a show without drinking first i'm the same way when i do my live podcast yeah when we were on tour jason was i mean i've known jason for a very long time and i know that jason likes to get lit but jason's a big stoic guy like you can never really tell when he's fucked up on on tour might have been the first time i ever was like damn jason is fucking twisted right now and it's 11 30 and we're back in an uber back to the hotel i made it look good is it nerves or do you or is it just like fun both well for me at an early age i realized that myself that wasn't doing so well with you know getting sex or fun or friends or whatever if i put some alcohol on there then some doors opened up it was i was a i was a version of myself that was more That did better, just socially. Yeah, it's easier for me to be, like, yeah, social when I've had a couple of drinks in me. It was certainly funnier. But you get stupider. Are you okay with being stupider? No, I'm actually smarter. All right. I'm actually smarter. So after you finish half a bottle of Tito's, you somehow get smarter is what you're saying? I don't drink, like, Irish people. Straight Irish people. Straight.

Straight Irish people. So you have a high tolerance for alcohol. Absolutely. So much to the point where you need to drink just to get to the smart level. Most people do the opposite. Like last night was like the first time that I went out and casually like had some drinks with someone because, you know, a Marianne is out here crip walking through the streets. And, you know, I don't want to get because I might have to go on tour. They might cancel it. Who fucking knows? But like I don't want to get like sick before tour. So it was my first time like going out. You know, that's the thing about me is, like, I'm not an alcoholic, though. Like, I can go, like, days, sometimes weeks without, like, drinking, and, like, that was, like, the case. But my first time back, I had, like, three ciders, a whiskey. Ciders? A Buffalo Trace. Buffalo Trace. Ciders and a Buffalo Trace. Not Buffalo Trace. Listen. Damn, you really are a country girl, goddammit. First of all, they were out of Bullet Bourbon, and that's why I had to settle for that. Bullet bourbon is the Philly of bourbons. That's great. That's what's on my writer. And it also had a shot of tequila. Okay. And that was just like, that was just like chill. Like I wasn't even, I was just like fine. Like I wasn't even like drunk. That was just on your little Wednesday night bullshit. Yeah, exactly. You know. Okay. So I think that the drinking and the eating in bed, there's some through lines there, at least in my. Mental illness. At least in my life. Obviously, the best time to eat in bed is when you're in a hotel room and you don't have to deal with the problem the next day. Yeah. How do you set it up? Do you have a ritual of how you do this eating in bed? Because I'm only asking because Chris probably finds it to be one of the more revolting ideas. Right, Chris? No, I never feel good in the moment, but I feel at peace. You know what I mean? Sometimes that's more important. Sometimes that's more important. The world around you stops spinning and it's just you and that bed. And that nice 12-inch hoagie, right? Exactly. Well, okay. I don't know if you noticed when I said I drink ciders, but, you know, I'm gluten intolerant, so. I should have read between the lines, Shamir. I'm sorry. Shamir, I apologize for my friend. He's not very nice to.

certain communities and one of those is the gluten-free community is that do you think that'll happen one day just as an aside when they say like oh that well you can't say that person's an aa you have to say they're what like friend of john or something are you saying it's going to be lgbtq plus gf yeah the plus is for gluten-free yeah it's going to be like oh don't not not for sure Cider drinker. And they're like, oh, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Yeah, like a friend of Dorothy. Yeah. A friend of Dorothy. Right, right, right, right, right. That's what it is. That's really funny. I really do hate it for me. Like, I wish that wasn't the case. It is so, like, it's lame. I'm not proud of it. You know what I mean? But also, I like not having the bubble guts every damn second. You know what I mean? Yeah, that's true. And I'm sure the skin is much more on fleek without all that gluten in you, right? Oh, yeah. And I stopped smoking cigarettes. Actually, in my skincare routine, I aged like 10 years back. You look great. I got to say. Thank you. Thank you. You don't look a day over 15. How much moisturizing are you doing? Are you just slathering it on? These days because it's so, you know, in the winter, you know. And I have combination skin. So it's oily in the summer, flaky in the winter. Yeah, same, same. I know. We suffer out here in the L.A. desert. It's tough to stay moisturized here. Jason knows. You know what? I'm from Nevada. i'm from las vegas oh that's right so so when you go back to las vegas horrible assuming that you do maybe you don't go back do you really try not to or is it just like you go does your family visit you yeah i mostly just go for family and sometimes family will visit me out here yeah you don't go there to see lil john who lil john's at aria you don't go fly out for that locals don't go to the strip the fuck oh here we damn he's about to vegas jason's been a lot about to be on some vegas shit now there's a really good thai food spot just four miles out of town oh yeah i know you love foodie i'm a little bit of foodie too i do like the food yeah in and out of the bed well can you cook though yeah yeah what kind of what's your specialty let's say you got a nice little team coming over for the first time you know it's about to be toppy season what's the meal that chef shamir is whipping up i just made um butter all right

Instagram, I just made butternut scotch soup, which is, like, really funny because I realized that, like, the meal ended up accidentally being vegan. Oops. Because, like, I had to use an earth balance. Earth balance. Damn. That used to be running through my thick veins back when I was a little vegan. But I'm not vegan. I just, like, sometimes, like, like to use, like, earth balance and then, like, just the meal ended up just being vegan. So I thought that was funny. That's just the country in you. Guess so. Yeah, the cowboy. So when you go back to Vegas, you go back, you just mostly just hang out with your family at the house. And my best friend. My best friend since eighth grade still lives out there. Why do they live in Las Vegas still? Is that a choice or are they in jail? God damn it. I guess it. It's obviously a choice. A victim of circumstance, let's say that. Sure. Okay. No, that's fair. That's fair. But I mean, a lot of people I know are moving to Vegas. Yeah, because Vegas. It's low-key popping out. Trust me, when I was growing up in North Las Vegas, it was not looking like how it's looking now. You know what I mean? They're like actually building things. Now we got damn Steve Aoki living there doing fucking backflips into a ball pit and racing. Katy Perry. Katy Perry lives there too? She got a residency. Once you get the residency, you got to stay close. I mean, you can't, you know, if you're doing it every night. But I think that the... I think a lot of people live there, guys, for tax evasion purposes. I don't think it's really about the nightlife. I think you live there for the tax cuts, and then also if you're the type of person that's always traveling to where you're never home anyway, then that kind of is like a good little hub. Yeah, it's a great place to just chill or retire. I definitely want my long-term goal. If I make another steady... like on the regular level bag for our listeners at home now is that was Shamir's breakout single oh for people you know if you know if you don't you know if you don't get the vibe you get the vibe you know what I mean but if I get like another like bag like that like steady bag like that then my like big long-term goal is to buy a house in the middle of Nevada like in a little literal middle nowhere Nevada like not even like Las Vegas or even like in the greater Las Vegas limits build it out as a studio for like bands to go and like

Kind of like Kanye and Wyoming vibes. Like Rick Rubin in Malibu, Kanye in Wyoming. Exactly. Do you have a name for this place already? I don't know. Like the Ratchet Ranch or something? I don't know. Because I know Rick Rubin is called Shangri-La and you're over here acting like, oh, I don't know. Just off the top of my head, the Ratchet Ranch. Yeah, the Ratchet Ranch. Now booking for 2023, you guys let me know. I mean, just like the Bunny Ranch. What happened to the Bunny Ranch? Are they still tricking off over there? I don't know. Oh, no. Can you send me a gear list for the Ratchet Ranch? I kind of need to check what the SSL is looking like. It's literally going to be a single PreSonus audio box. And what is this? A Shure 58. Yeah. 58. That's what How Long Gone uses as well, Shamir. Oh, six. See? So tried and true. That's right. When Unknown Mortal Orchestra was on the pod, he was sort of, we both liked how open he was about that type of stuff. drugs alcohol sex whatever it is and i feel like you are another person who kind of appreciates somebody who's just like really open and honest about these things yeah have you always been like that your entire life i gotta because like look at me what am i hiding you know what i mean i'm already just like by the virtue of like who i am and like what i look like i'm already vulnerable so like why do i feel like anything is like precious and you were and you were like this your whole entire life i believe so yeah I think another thing has to do is I was raised by a clan of female Virgos, and they think that you just can't be fake. You can't lie. It's just impossible. The female Virgos can read you. Yeah, and they hate to be lied to. We're male Virgos. What does that mean? That's crazy. I don't know many male Virgos, actually, if I'm being honest. I don't know many Virgos in general. I think the only male Virgo that I know. I haven't even met IRL yet. We became pandemic homies, but Ben Lee. Australian singer-songwriter Ben Lee. Shout out to the pandemic homie Ben Lee. I forgot about him. Did you make a lot of pandemic homies? Yeah. I worked on a track for his next record. I was going to ask you, though. Are you a songwriter guy? Do you want to do that? Yeah. I've done a couple things, but I'm not. I live in Philly, too. I'm not session every week out of person. I don't want to be. If you want me, you want me. You know where I'm at.

A little session every week. We got to get you out to L.A. here, Shamir. We got to get you in the lab with Kenny Beats. You smoke weed? I can't anymore. I'm bipolar. OK, so was there there was a moment where you could smoke weed and then the doctor said not a good idea. I probably shouldn't have been. But like, you know, I'm just like, I'm tired of having episodes. You were chief and big and it was triggering. Yeah. Yeah, but 2019 was my stoner year, man. I did a cross-country trip with two straight homies. They were cousins. They were my fucking recording engineers, and we just hopped in a fucking Prius. This sounds like a porn, but continue. Stop! Me and two guys named Chad hotboxed a Prius somewhere in Nebraska, and then we got to Eiffel Towering. Things got fucking crazy that Starbucks parking lot in Nebraska. It was a movie. The bubble finally popped. It had to happen. Chad could feel it. I could feel it. Chad number two could feel it. Other Chad could feel it. Can you stop again? Anyway, lots of country music, lots of weed. I've never done country and weed. I feel like that shit, that song about, like, lakes really starts hitting. Like, damn, they really did drive this old damn truck down to the lake. God damn. Anyway, I say all I have to say is that to get through that, I would, like, wake up, they would, like, get ready for the drive, and then I would, like, down five, like, 20, 25 milligram gummies. like just to start the day so you said just to deal with that and that is a thing that you wanted to do drive across country with two of your friends you know i mean road trips are tough even with your bestie i told you it was my stoner era will i do that again no you know i had like that moment i'm good i feel like the only way you survived is making sure that you didn't get behind the wheel when you're gone off 100 milligrams for breakfast didn't i just say i can't drive thank god you're too gay to drive

Yeah. You saved everyone. Yeah. Damn, that's called dead weight on a road trip. Somebody who can't drive. That's fucking crazy. Okay, but I knew where everything was because I'd done the most traveling. So that's what I provided. Thank you. See, this generation's got me fucked up, man. All this edible. In my day, we would bust down a Swisher like a real man. I'm a millennial. I'm a young millennial. Fuck you. Fuck you, Chris. Grandpa's rolling up that old Swisher. You got old man Swisher hands. Yeah. So you, at a moment, was it you that made the decision or was it... When I had my last breakdown at the end of 2019, I had to go back to the hospital under my mother's care. I was like, I can't trust the adults around me to help me when I'm suffering mentally. So I was like, okay, I have to be strict because I haven't been in a hospital since. That's been nice, I guess. But also spiritually, I'm... Dead. What does a breakdown look like for you? Well, the last one, what happened was is that I got triggered off of, like, three edibles. Light work. Light work for you. Which is, like, nothing compared to, like, what I was doing. Light work for me. Depending on what you got in the stomach, you know, it can hit you sometimes. True. But we've established that I like to eat. There was a good base. There was a good base. God, Jason. I actually took a half. So you had this sweet green and you were like, let me pop a couple of Eddies. No, not a sweet green. That's really going to fuck you up. I went to a place called Hush Puppies in Las Vegas. Okay. That's a base. It's like real southern food. That's a base. That's what I'm saying. I'm not out here. Sweet green is like, that would kill you, of course. Sweet green, the edibles hit you more. He needs some smothered and covered biscuits and gravy, all kinds of shit like that. And that's what I did. And I took it before an iron and wine concert. Iron and wine. Hold on. Why the fuck would you? Shamir, you're really out here. I gotta say. I'm the whitest guy you've ever met. I don't even fuck with iron and wine. I don't even fuck with iron and wine. I love iron and wine. It was actually, it was iron and wine Calexico. Listen, and I felt, and I was so high. I felt, I literally was like, I saw God. And then I had an episode and I like.

My family couldn't find me for, like, two days because, like, I was, like, Jesus walking, like, two days straight around Las Vegas, just, like, walking to my, like, feet. Whoa. So the one black guy at the Iron and Wine concert just goes straight up. Beto O'Warek was in the audience that night, too. Who? Beto O'Warek. Okay. Beto? Yeah, his dumb ass would like Iron and Wine. I'm not surprised. That's why he, that's why he had the president. And you, and you would just, and you, you got so high, you saw God and then something just snapped. And then usually, I mean, that's happened to me before, but like once the, once the THC sort of wears down out of my system and I digest it, then I can kind of go back to normal. But you, the plane never landed. Not for me, depending on like my mental state. And then when you're in that state walking around, are you, do you have any recollection of that? Or you're just like. Here and there, it feels. like a semi-vivid dream you know what i mean like trying to remember a dream you can get little parts of it but not the whole thing exactly damn i'm sorry i'm sorry you had to deal with that that's rough you know what i don't i don't really i mean that's why i that's why you know i'm such an advocate for like mental health because like i think my mental illness has just made me like such a stronger like more well-rounded person and just like have more tools than like most like i don't take any of that like in vain like i don't look at it as like bad like Could I have gone without it? Sure. It makes you a more interesting person. I think it's providing me with a lot of tools. It makes me interesting. Yeah, definitely. Mental illness is in now. It's chic. I know. Can you listen to Iron and Wine now, or is that a trigger? Absolutely. And I still see God. Damn, bro. So it's gotten better. It's elevated Iron and Wine to a new level of music. He's a deity, basically, to me. We've got to get Iron and Wine on the pod, and then we'll link with you. Would you ever do a little collab song with Iron and Wine? I would do anything. I would fuck Sam's dick. I don't care. Does a dog have fleas, Shamir says. Shamir, you are a mental health advocate and you are probably well-versed in mental health. What type of mental health issues do you think Chris and I have as a podcast listener? What could we work on for ourselves in 2022? I don't know. As a mental health advocate, I just, you know.

Rule number one, don't take unprofessional, unsolicited fucking advice. Don't be professional. Even though I do want to retire as a therapist, so hit me up in 20 years. Okay, Shamir, let's just say as a fun little game, how would you prescribe us? As somebody who's listened to hours of How Long Gone. I don't know. When I'm listening to y'all, it's really head-empty vibes. I don't really think about it. that deeply great great good good to hear no i understand but you like head empty vibes sometimes though right it's rare that i get to feel that like it's like y'all emily and paris like very few things can like give me that peace yeah i am i am hot and well dressed just like emily and paris that's so true i thank you for making that comparison no literally emily and paris like cured my depression both times see jason you should watch emily and paris you stop being so sad i ain't depressed What about Emily in Paris cured your depression? Okay. So when the first season came out in 2020, I was in the midst of my self-titled, my seventh album cycle. And that was my most popular basically since my debut. We saw the reviews, Chief. We know. It was making the rounds. But I'm saying all I have to say is that it was self-release. I was self-managing. I was self-doing everything. So it was just like a lot. You ain't got a manager? You got a manager now? I've been self-managing since 2019. Okay. Well, let me know if you want to talk deal points later, but go ahead. Wait, what? No, I just, sometimes it's nice to bounce ideas off someone. I have Jason, my partner. I don't know if you have, I don't know if you have someone that you're able to. Yeah, the voices in my head. Are you, are the voices in your head old and white though? Didn't think so. Sometimes. You got a lawyer though, Shamir? Yeah, I got a lawyer. Yeah. Yeah. That's more important than any of that shit anyway. That's what the real heads know. Real heads know. only person on my team who's like been there since day one you fought you you fired everybody else everybody left me after i lost my mind are you kidding they didn't they didn't really i would just wait it out like what's the big deal some firing some like oh he's crazy oh my god but you have a you had a big dog manager at some point i imagine i don't think i've ever had like a big dog manager okay i thought maybe because sometimes that happens when things get hot early everybody's sniffing around all of a sudden you're like why is irving azoff managing shamir and it's like i don't know if this is working i think if

had a big dog manager like me was in my mind wouldn't like be a thing because like big dog managers are used to that shit you know what i mean that's that's true no you're right absolutely when when bono disappears for a couple days you know what i mean we just we're gonna wait for bono to call us yeah yeah anyway what was i talking about so you're talking about emily in paris and how it saved your life oh yeah so yeah busy time for me even though i was in lockdown and the only thing that was keeping me sane was when girlfriends got put on netflix great program and like yeah that was like the only thing that was like providing me peace because i live alone too so like you didn't have any girlfriends that were there through thick and thin didn't have no girlfriends you know what i mean even chris knows the song girlfriends is great it's it's like if friends was good yeah exactly it's like the best that's the only difference well tracy you know i'm a tracy ellis ross guy jace you know after the story i have to tell you my tracy ellis ross at era one story okay great perfect for us. That's a crisp date right there. Yeah, yeah. When I finished it, and I realized that because of the writer's strike, it ended unresolved, I was spiraling. I said, no. This is the only thing that bought me in peace. I was fucking spiraling. I'm like, what am I going to do? So that greatly affected your mental health. Yes. And I was like, I need something to like... calm me down because like i'm like just unconsolvable right now indisposed emily paris had just came out and i was just like sure let's try this seems stupid because i like to watch stupid things but this because normally sometimes it can get my brain turned off but like not to the point that emily paris was able to do it i felt immense peace like when i tell you that it was just like a complete 180 as far as like my mood after binging it in one day The first season. I mean, I binge both seasons. I think it's medicinal. No wonder you're eating in bed, doing a whole season in one day. Absolutely. You got the bed pan out. I like it. Okay. Absolutely. You know we're pissing in jars, baby. No, that's

That's the one thing that I won't do. Like, I hate, I don't understand why people do that. Like, oh my God, go to the bathroom. That is the one thing I won't do is collect jars of urine in my bedroom. You don't, you don't drain the lizard in the Mountain Dew bottle after you finish? No. We've established that I'm not actually straight. Like, come on. What about, because you said like you have no problem watching dumb shit. Is it because Emily in Paris is a dumb shit show that thinks? It's being a smart and witty and well-done show? Is that the trick about it? Yeah, I like it, and I just get it. And I had a French ex, and I spent a lot of time in France, and I kind of really empathized with the Emily character as well. I felt like that dumbass American bitch at one point. We all have. We all have. We all have. So it touched. It's relatable. Jason doesn't get to Europe very often, so he can't really relate. You know what I mean? I don't know shit about Paris, bro. I mean, I still call it Paris. Okay, let's hear this Tracy Ellis story at Erwan. Oh my god, okay. So, one of my old, like, my old day-to-day manager lived right, like, walkable distance by the one in Beverly. And I would go to that one, like, all the time. And at one point, we were just, like, sitting outside, like, having our lunch. And Tracy Ellis, like, walked out with a cart full of shit. Like, it's like money, you know what I mean? It was such a power move. Like, it's like she was shopping like it was food for less. You know what I mean? Yes, yes, yes. So you spent your $17 on some buffalo cauliflower that left you wanting more. On some literally gluten-free, like, sushi. You know what I mean? And she came out, dropped $948 on her little grocery. She had the vitamins, too. When you're really balling, you're buying vitamins at Erewhon. That's when you really got paper. No, when you're really balling, you're buying fucking paper towels and dish soap and shit. Yeah, that's true. That's true. Yeah, paper towels. Yeah, exactly. That's, like, the vibe. That was, like, the vibe. And, like, we just had, like, this moment where, like, she walked out and we, like, locked eyes. And, like, it was just like, yeah, we're, like, two black people at Air One right now. You know what I mean? That's a feeling I'll never get to feel. Yeah. No. This one's for us. That's the launch set. You know what I mean? And so I've always kept that story with me. And we actually have a mutual. Okay. And I was, like, in Uber with that mutual. And I was, like, yeah. And I'm, like.

we had a moment like I wonder if she like remembers you know what I mean like I wonder if it's like a misconnection like situation you know what I mean and so he's like oh I'll text her right now so he texted her and the response was like I mean she didn't remember me but I think the response was even more perfect she goes you know I'm so sorry to say I don't remember but I do love Erewhon that's my Tracy right there yeah Well, I mean, I think that now she'll remember you forever. You know, you bonded in a different way. Yeah, that's like when I see the one guy at Roscoe's and we lock eyes. And he has that little, like, help me look in his eyes. And I'm like, it's not me, bro. This happens to Jason when he sees other big white guys with their Asian girlfriends. And they lock eyes. You stay away from Brooklyn, huh? They lock eyes and they're like, God damn it, you too, bro. They got you. Yeah, I say, like, oh, I don't go. cross the bridge whenever I'm in Manhattan because of, like, oh, I don't want to take the train or whatever. Uber's too much. But it is because there's so many tall white guys with Asian girlfriends over there, and I can't be seen around that. Yeah, he can't go to a popping restaurant at Williamsburg without running into some of his brethren, and he does feel some embarrassment. They want to dap me up in the foyer. Why do you feel embarrassment? Like, why don't you feel like, oh, these are, like, my people? Because I've been doing it since before. It was cool, you know what I'm saying? Now these young bulls trying to come through. This is so racist. I can't. No, it's not. This is just real talk, bro. Before it was popular. What's racist about that? I'm just saying, I've been doing things to POCs way before the Instagram infographics told us to. Let's go. I'm a motherfucking ally and I don't do it because other people tell me to. I do it because it's in my heart. That's why. That's right. Jason does. Jason has been supporting the AAPI community for years with his wallet and his heart. But I think that the reason he doesn't bang with these fellas is because he's taller than them. So there's an alpha vibe where they feel intimidated in a way that he likes. Gets him a little chubby. Yeah. Makes me feel like Suge Knight of fucking Asian House.

How tall are you? Because I know you're, like, hella tall. 6'9". You're lying. Is that even possible? Deadass. It is possible. It's the only good thing about him. That's kind of sick, honestly. Yeah, it is kind of sick. Thank you. How tall are you, Shamir? 5'10". A very average, vibey situation. That's cool. Do you say six feet on your baseball card, or do you stick with 5'10"? 5'10". I'm literally 5'10", even, like. So the new album, when's the new album coming out? February 11th. February, that's right around Valentine's Day. Damn, okay. I don't think it's a Valentine's Day album, but sure. Okay, so it is called heterosexuality? Mm-hmm. What do we have to look forward to? Why are we saving it on our Spotify? Because I make good music. I don't know. Is it country? Is it drum and bass? It's like industrial vibes. Industrial? Mm-hmm. Okay, so when you say industrial, are we talking like Ministry, Atari Teenage Riot? Did y'all not hear any of my singles? so unprofessional. Do you know how much music I have? We talk about everything but the music. Yeah, we don't care about music. We're here to talk about what you fucking ate in bed. That's what I want to talk about. You think I give a fuck about your little music? I'm here to hear about Emily and Paris. Get the hell out of here. Yeah, I mean, I made it with my friend because honestly, I didn't come on this podcast to really talk about it that deeply. I've done five interviews where I actually seriously talked about it. Just this week. Oh, got it, got it, got it. Go to, like, the Stereogum interview that I did or something. No, you're right. You're right. You're right, Shamir. You're right. Like, I came on this show to talk about what I eat in bed and, like, Emily in Paris as well. All right. Well, we'll stop. Heterosexuality in stores February 11th. Just stream it. It's good. It's good. It's vibes. When somebody asks me, I can't wait to just be like, what's the album? It's good. I don't know. Just fucking listen to it, loser. Tell me about your new album. I'll check. You know, I do check Stereogum because I'm a 39-year-old white guy, so that's no problem for me. I'm sick. Yeah. And right now, one of your singles is slowly being faded up with Ableton Live into the interview. Oh, baby. I guess my third single will be out by then, so you got to do Reproductive. Well, this is coming out tomorrow. Oh, did I actually do it next day? Yeah, this ain't a game. I didn't realize the turnaround was that quick. That's so crazy. That actually sounds stressful to release and do the interview in tandem. It's less stressful for Chris than it is for me, but...

But it's not that bad. I like it. It's good to edit. I like editing as soon as we finish because everything's still fresh on the brain. Yeah, I like to hear that the conversation's actually fresh because you hear so many, like, other, like, podcast interviews where it's just, like, you can tell that it was, like, you know, a week ago or some shit. They're over here. It's like, what are you doing for Christmas, Shamir? And you're like, come on, bro. Yeah. Come on, bro. We can do better. No, Shamir, it's really been a pleasure. Thank you for joining us. This is going into How Long Gone Hall of Fame. I can already tell. Stop! Really? Don't fuck with me because that's like literally what I wanted. I mean, once I go through with the Ableton and I do my little TJ Them Jeans remix. But no, you gotta play cisgender because I guess that's like the most recent.